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DRAFT LOTTERY 24

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Re: DRAFT LOTTERY 24 

Post#141 » by EmpireFalls » Mon May 13, 2024 6:10 pm

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luciano-davidwesley wrote:People don't want to draft a short (if 6'3 is short for a 1 these days lol) white guy, even if he might be John Stockton with better shooting but not quite as good a passer.

Derrick White seems like a median Sheppard outcome to me.

There is no world where Sheppard becomes a Derrick White level defender though, and that’s the problem. He might shoot better and be more of a threat offensively, but the defense is a full two or three steps down from White.

He has zero chance of becoming of the best shot blocking guards ever, perennial all-defensive candidate, and arguably the Celtics secondary rim protector. The defensive value he provides is massive.

What is this based on? As a freshman Reed averaged 2.5 stl and almost a block a game. He seems to have elite defensive awareness.

To continue this discussion a bit. Sheppard's measurements as follows:
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So, basically a bit under 6'3" in shoes, 6'3" wingspan, weirdly low standing reach (I think he's maybe trying to lower it so it can increase his vertical leap)? Those are Curry, Kyrie type measurements. Which is fine, but those guys are PG defenders only and look super small when switched onto bigger guys. He's a short guy and will almost always be the smallest guy on the floor. He is the same size as McCain and only slightly bigger than Dilly. Hell, his wingspan isn't even more than an inch longer than KEMBA's.

Just for comparison: Derrick White's measurements: 6' 3.25'' without shoes, 8' 5.5'' standing reach, 6' 7.5'' wingspan. This is what that looks like in action.

College passing lanes are easier to jump than NBA passing lanes. the NBA court requires you to cover more ground, quicker. The NBA scheme also requires you to switch onto bigger players quite often. Could you imagine Sheppard switching a 1-4 PnR the way White does? He'll never bring elite defensive value.

Allen Iverson led the NBA in steals once. Haliburton (terrible defender) had 2+ SPG in college just like Sheppard. I don't value pure steals numbers for elite defense as much as the entire picture. And for Sheppard, that picture is just limited.
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Re: DRAFT LOTTERY 24 

Post#142 » by MasterIchiro » Mon May 13, 2024 6:16 pm

Good analysis. Out on Sheppard.
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Re: DRAFT LOTTERY 24 

Post#143 » by SWedd523 » Mon May 13, 2024 7:20 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:
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EmpireFalls wrote:There is no world where Sheppard becomes a Derrick White level defender though, and that’s the problem. He might shoot better and be more of a threat offensively, but the defense is a full two or three steps down from White.

He has zero chance of becoming of the best shot blocking guards ever, perennial all-defensive candidate, and arguably the Celtics secondary rim protector. The defensive value he provides is massive.

What is this based on? As a freshman Reed averaged 2.5 stl and almost a block a game. He seems to have elite defensive awareness.

To continue this discussion a bit. Sheppard's measurements as follows:
Read on Twitter


So, basically a bit under 6'3" in shoes, 6'3" wingspan, weirdly low standing reach (I think he's maybe trying to lower it so it can increase his vertical leap)? Those are Curry, Kyrie type measurements. Which is fine, but those guys are PG defenders only and look super small when switched onto bigger guys. He's a short guy and will almost always be the smallest guy on the floor. He is the same size as McCain and only slightly bigger than Dilly. Hell, his wingspan isn't even more than an inch longer than KEMBA's.

Just for comparison: Derrick White's measurements: 6' 3.25'' without shoes, 8' 5.5'' standing reach, 6' 7.5'' wingspan. This is what that looks like in action.

College passing lanes are easier to jump than NBA passing lanes. the NBA court requires you to cover more ground, quicker. The NBA scheme also requires you to switch onto bigger players quite often. Could you imagine Sheppard switching a 1-4 PnR the way White does? He'll never bring elite defensive value.

Allen Iverson led the NBA in steals once. Haliburton (terrible defender) had 2+ SPG in college just like Sheppard. I don't value pure steals numbers for elite defense as much as the entire picture. And for Sheppard, that picture is just limited.

Reed Sheppard confirmed his seat on my do not draft train
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Re: DRAFT LOTTERY 24 

Post#144 » by EmpireFalls » Tue May 14, 2024 1:18 am

To be clear I’m not a Sheppard hater to be exact, I think that his shooting could be a game changer in a halfcourt setting and I love his patience and passing. In fact there’s a very good chance he isn’t even on the board at 6 (he fits well in each spot 2-6). I just think we’re not talking about him the right way, and I have such huge concerns about actually building a Reed-LaMelo backcourt going forward. That basically curses Miller into a lifetime of primary POA defense and covering for those two on the perimeter. But he’s a very useful player and will be good.

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