I'm BACKKKKKKKK!!: The Steve Clifford Thread

MPM · Post #21 » by **MPM** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:37 pm

Coach Cliff, 37-year-old PJ Tucker starting at 5, six man rotations, turning our youth into middling hard-nosed role players. Win now, win now, win now. Sounds fab.

(Even though? The idea of him assisting MDA doesn't give me palpitations - just keep him focused on D and far away from roster construction, rotations, and player dev)

Post #22 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:50 pm

We should also resign Bismack, Kemba, Cody and Al Jefferson.

bravor · Post #23 » by **bravor** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:53 pm

Batum is free agent, just sayin...

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Liver_Pooty · Post #24 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:55 pm

bravor wrote:Batum is free agent, just sayin...

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LOL

Post #25 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:56 pm

I get the idea some are getting excited about - which is MDA as head coach and Clifford as lead assistant, but that doesn't really create a 2 year succession plan.

MDA is in his 70's and Clifford in his 60's.

Would we want/expect Clifford to take over from MDA in 2 years time when he is in his mid 60's?

JMAC3 · Post #26 » by **JMAC3** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:03 pm

BigSlam wrote:I get the idea some are getting excited about - which is MDA as head coach and Clifford as lead assistant, but that doesn't really create a 2 year succession plan.

MDA is in his 70's and Clifford in his 60's.

Would we want/expect Clifford to take over from MDA in 2 years time when he is in his mid 60's?

How many teams does the succession plan actually work for? 5%

I feel like most hires come from outside the organization, wouldn't get too hung up on planning for 4-5 years from now. I am worried about being most successful in the next 2-3 years.

MPM · Post #27 » by **MPM** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:04 pm

BigSlam wrote:I get the idea some are getting excited about - which is MDA as head coach and Clifford as lead assistant, but that doesn't really create a 2 year succession plan.

MDA is in his 70's and Clifford in his 60's.

Would we want/expect Clifford to take over from MDA in 2 years time when he is in his mid 60's?

I hated Cliff's tenure largely because he was a win-now coach without a win-now roster, meaning he killed our player dev while squeezing every minute out of so-so vets only to meekly knock at the playoff door while simultaneously sabotaging our future - it was a 'die trying' coaching regime. This said, part of me thinks Cliff could be a very good coach with a very good roster (I know, a lot of coaches could be). Could our roster be very good in 2-3 years? Sure.

This said, I don't want Clifford anywhere near the reins of our current team.

Post #28 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:04 pm

Translation... Steve Clifford is willing to coach for cheap

Forget about any kind of transition offense

He'd fix two of our biggest flaws under JB, defensive rebounding and transition defense. At what cost though?

Player development over, fast pace offense over. Random washed vets to take minutes incoming

Those wishing for a MDA Cliff head, asst pairing are dreaming. It's either or. We aren't paying for both and I doubt cliff would return to be an asst here.

Feels like MJ just doesn't trust MDA to play Def. Is this a classic impatient MJ overcorrection from JBs undisciplined defense?

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Snidely FC · Post #29 » by **Snidely FC** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:14 pm

the first go 'round just about killed Clifford

Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins says head coach Steve Clifford remains hospitalized after being admitted late Thursday night because he was not feeling well.

rehiring the Big Red Dog has to be someone's idea of a bad joke

LofJ · Post #30 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:15 pm

So is it a good assumption that D'Antoni turned down the job?

chabber · Post #31 » by **chabber** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:18 pm

LofJ wrote:So is it a good assumption that D'Antoni turned down the job?

I wouldn't think so. I know this is a sad yet funny story, but realistically this could just be the process of widening the net while trying to secure Dantoni and a name of note on stein's list was Clifford.

Post #32 » by **JDR720** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:37 pm

We should rehire Borrego, hire Clifford as lead assistant, Paul and Steven Silas as a development coaches and Dunlap as a ballboy.

amcoolio · Post #33 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:42 pm

JDR720 wrote:We should rehire Borrego, hire Clifford as lead assistant, Paul and Steven Silas as a development coaches and Dunlap as a ballboy.

Dunlap won a ring with the Bucks last year as assistant coach, maybe just bring him back

Rich4114 · Post #34 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:59 pm

I still have PTSD from Clifford’s putrid clutch offense and inbound plays. This can’t be serious. GTFO with this MJ and just hire MDA already.

countryboi · Post #35 » by **countryboi** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:12 pm

This feels like BS, rehiring failed coaches is not something I have ever seen a team do before.

RussellandFlow · Post #36 » by **RussellandFlow** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:24 pm

I hope this is not true as you have some promising pieces on the team. Mgmt knows what he brings and does not bring to the table and the fact his name is out there even for consideration is bad. I believe the rumors said the team wants someone with HC experience but if the option is bringing this guy back to check that box (assuming MDA does not accept) then why not look at an assistant who has yet to get a chance to be HC (e.g. Adrian Griffin, Sam Cassell, Kevin Young, David Vanterpool, Sean Sweeny, etc). At the end of the day there are only 30 NBA jobs, and I find it hard to believe that coaches would not want to work with this roster. Although I've never been, those that I do know that have, had nothing bad to say about Charlotte as a city. I can think of quite a few NBA markets where that is not the case.

HornetJail · Post #37 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:27 pm

RussellandFlow wrote:I hope this is not true as you have some promising pieces on the team. Mgmt knows what he brings and does not bring to the table and the fact his name is out there even for consideration is bad. I believe the rumors said the team wants someone with HC experience but if the option is bringing this guy back to check that box (assuming MDA does not accept) then why not look at an assistant who has yet to get a chance to be HC (e.g. Adrian Griffin, Sam Cassell, Kevin Young, David Vanterpool, Sean Sweeny, etc). At the end of the day there are only 30 NBA jobs, and I find it hard to believe that coaches would not want to work with this roster. Although I've never been, those that I do know that have, had nothing bad to say about Charlotte as a city. I can think of quite a few NBA markets where that is not the case.

I don't believe the report for a second (hence my wall of laughing emojis on page 1). Kupchak's literal first move as GM was firing Cliff's ass

then again, any time a move makes absolutely no **** sense floats as a possibility, that's the one we go with so idk what to believe.

Robot Rock · Post #38 » by **Robot Rock** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:07 pm

countryboi wrote:This feels like BS, rehiring failed coaches is not something I have ever seen a team do before.

He wasn't exactly a failed coach. He had a trash roster for most of his tenure here, and the only two seasons where he had two legitimately upper-echelon players, we made the playoffs. (Not advocating another run though)

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #39 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:26 pm

Maybe they are trying to sell Cliff as MDA's lead defensive assistant.

countryboi · Post #40 » by **countryboi** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:38 pm

Robot Rock wrote:
countryboi wrote:This feels like BS, rehiring failed coaches is not something I have ever seen a team do before.

He wasn't exactly a failed coach. He had a trash roster for most of his tenure here, and the only two seasons where he had two legitimately upper-echelon players, we made the playoffs. (Not advocating another run though)

yea but the reason why he was fired still exist, he is rotten milk on the fridge he is not suddenly going become a better coach.