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GoBobs wrote:Grant is a nice role player. PJ is a tier above and will probably have one all star season or something pretty close in the future.

Calm down, Sherry Washington

SWedd523 wrote:

GoBobs wrote:Grant is a nice role player. PJ is a tier above and will probably have one all star season or something pretty close in the future.

Calm down, Sherry Washington

Saying PJ will be a future all-star is WILD!

Diop wrote:I think PJ is more skilled and could be better, but for the role of coming off the bench, providing defense, physicality and defense, Williams suits so much more.

great get for us.

We haven't had a vocal leader on D since Marv. PJ just wasn't that kind of player. Hope Grant finally fills the void.

Now that I think about it he plays a lot like Draymond Green, without the passing

Mavs fan here, don't worry I come in piece... glad to see Grant play good for you guys...I know we overpaid for PJ but Grant just wasn't working out for us (kind of like PJ for you)...his first 8 games were good but the next 40 he looked like Charles Barkley when the Monstars stole his talent...Guess he just didn't fit in...maybe this deal works Best for both teams ,though the Mavs are betting that the pick will be in the twenties..your team needed leadership,we needed more athletic players... Hopefully this experience (not playing in Boston,Dallas trading him half a season after signing) will humble Grant...he has an EGO that his Play can't back up

BliscoSantos wrote:Mavs fan here, don't worry I come in piece... glad to see Grant play good for you guys...I know we overpaid for PJ but Grant just wasn't working out for us (kind of like PJ for you)...his first 8 games were good but the next 40 he looked like Charles Barkley when the Monstars stole his talent...Guess he just didn't fit in...maybe this deal works Best for both teams ,though the Mavs are betting that the pick will be in the twenties..your team needed leadership,we needed more athletic players... Hopefully this experience (not playing in Boston,Dallas trading him half a season after signing) will humble Grant...he has an EGO that his Play can't back up

Sometimes it isn’t the right fit…sometimes a fresh restart helps a player. PJ seems to be a great guy and teammate. If he can stay motivated and give effort every game instead of once every 5th game he can be a good producer. Good luck.

Bassman wrote:

BliscoSantos wrote:Mavs fan here, don't worry I come in piece... glad to see Grant play good for you guys...I know we overpaid for PJ but Grant just wasn't working out for us (kind of like PJ for you)...his first 8 games were good but the next 40 he looked like Charles Barkley when the Monstars stole his talent...Guess he just didn't fit in...maybe this deal works Best for both teams ,though the Mavs are betting that the pick will be in the twenties..your team needed leadership,we needed more athletic players... Hopefully this experience (not playing in Boston,Dallas trading him half a season after signing) will humble Grant...he has an EGO that his Play can't back up

Sometimes it isn’t the right fit…sometimes a fresh restart helps a player. PJ seems to be a great guy and teammate. If he can stay motivated and give effort every game instead of once every 5th game he can be a good producer. Good luck.

I agree...thx and same to you

Btw, I think you got a steal in Micic...the guy is really good, don't know why he didn't get a chance in OKC

Grant dove for a loose ball 90 seconds into his first stint.

I like it.

pj clearly has more talent. no question. grant seems to have all the intangibles pj didn't have. our team, right now, needs grant types more than pj types.

2nd game:

PJ: 4/11 for 9pts, 5rbs, 3 assists

Grant: 6/12 for 21pts, 4rbs, 3 assists.

Excited for this group to really show Charlotte that we have something. Get the people back."

"In the 90s/00s, Charlotte led the league in attendance. They were there cheering 'Let's Go Hornets', not the other team... playing for Boston, coming home, them screaming 'Let's Go Celtics/Mavericks'... it didn't piss me off at the time, playing for those teams, but it pisses me off now because I know what we can do."

"We haven't necessarily put the product out there yet, but I know that we're gonna do it for this city, this team, and I'm excited for these fans to really understand that the Hornets are gonna be back here really soon."

MasterIchiro wrote:Excited for this group to really show Charlotte that we have something. Get the people back."

"In the 90s/00s, Charlotte led the league in attendance. They were there cheering 'Let's Go Hornets', not the other team... playing for Boston, coming home, them screaming 'Let's Go Celtics/Mavericks'... it didn't piss me off at the time, playing for those teams, but it pisses me off now because I know what we can do."

"We haven't necessarily put the product out there yet, but I know that we're gonna do it for this city, this team, and I'm excited for these fans to really understand that the Hornets are gonna be back here really soon."

I told people he's gonna be the leader for this team. Helps even more that he is a hometown kid.

3rd game

PJ 1-6 for 3pts with 6 rebounds.

Grant 7-12 for 15pts with 10 rebounds.

Their board have been pretty happy with Pj, especially his defense, during their win streak. it’s sort of a win/win trade.

Apart from that sweet draft pick

Diop wrote:Their board have been pretty happy with Pj, especially his defense, during their win streak. it’s sort of a win/win trade.

Apart from that sweet draft pick

They’re happy with PJs defense because they’re in extreme copium mode after assuring everyone Grant Williams was horrible while PJ stinks it up

Diop wrote:Their board have been pretty happy with Pj, especially his defense, during their win streak. it’s sort of a win/win trade.

Apart from that sweet draft pick

Luka and Kyrie shot 42 times, the other 3 starters each shot like 5 times. I said it when we got Grant, it is not a system for every player to find success. PJ is probably not loving the limited shot attempts thus far.

Well that don't suck

Funniest thing is Mavs Reddit is trying to sell themselves on PJ Washington of all people as a lockdown wing/big defender now that he’s doing the normal PJ disappearing act on offense


https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1ar677m/pjail_washington/

I liked and vouched for PJs value despite their weird vitriolic hatred toward Grant and our FO but they are really setting themselves up for extreme disappointment

PJail

KembaWalker wrote:Funniest thing is Mavs Reddit is trying to sell themselves on PJ Washington of all people as a lockdown wing/big defender now that he’s doing the normal PJ disappearing act on offense


https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1ar677m/pjail_washington/

I liked and vouched for PJs value despite their weird vitriolic hatred toward Grant and our FO but they are really setting themselves up for extreme disappointment

PJail

Don't you feel you're too invested on PJ Washington and how Mavs fans feel?

"Disappearing act on offense" when he is playing playing with Luka/Kyrie? All he needs to start doing is hitting his 3 pointers. He's not expected to do very much.

His 3 point shot looks iffy and if he were to suck all year, that would be quite terrible. But he's fluid attacking the basket, has made a couple of nice passes. He's obviously way more athletic than Williams and has been active on defense.

You don't seem to appreciate how much of an abomination Grant Williams was in Dallas. That is why you see the reactions... most fans just couldn't stand watching Williams. He couldn't hit a shot, fat, couldn't dribble, couldn't even catch a ball sometimes. It was really horrible.

I for one would still not have overrated and trade Williams is desperation and take a risk (the very lightly protected pick). So I wouldn't have made the trade. The Hornets made a good trade by default. I am just trying to give you the context as to why Mavs fans will feel good... simply because they do not have Williams on the team. Despite PJ Washington missing his 3 pointers... he's still been better for the Mavericks than Grant Williams was for the Mavericks --- this is not "copium". You would know if you had watching Grant Williams play in dallas.

The Grant Williams you saw for 3 games is obviously not the player that he was in Dallas for months. And there's no one to blame --- he also had a super hot start with the Mavs. I guess after a certain point with his struggles, he never was able to overcome it and confidence was lost, both by him and the franchise itself.

He surely can't be as bad as he was with the Mavs for an extended time, but I do figure that at certain points in the season, you will get a glimpse as to why the Mavs fans loathed him so much. For your sake, let's just hope it's just a game here and there.. and not weeks on top of weeks, which was what happened with the Mavs.