To beat Knicks + referees, dont keep the game close in 4th quarter

[Nuntius]

Lets see how Celtics will handle this situation

That could be interesting, what does the NBA do when two big markets go against each other? Does it fix it for both? Or would that come down to whose owner pays the refs more?

Indiana averages more free throws against the knicks. In the 2013 series they shot 11 more per game.

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Season   NYK   IND   NYK MOV   NYK FTA Per Game
1993      3    1       -0.25       -3.50
1994      4    3        0.00       -0.14
1995      3    4        1.43       -1.86
1998      1    4       -8.60       -11.60
1999      4    2        1.00        0.67
2000      2    4       -5.83       -3.83
2013      2    4        0.00       -11.50
2024      2    0        6.50        6.00
Total     21   22      -0.72       -3.22

Interestingly, the roles were reversed in that 2013 series. The Knicks were the offensive-minded team and the Pacers were the defensive stalwarts. Unsurprisingly, the team that has the reputation of being more defensive-minded gets called for fewer fouls. It's been proven true in both of the last two series.

[hundreth]

That could be interesting, what does the NBA do when two big markets go against each other? Does it fix it for both? Or would that come down to whose owner pays the refs more?

Indiana averages more free throws against the knicks. In the 2013 series they shot 11 more per game.

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Season   NYK   IND   NYK MOV   NYK FTA Per Game
1993      3    1       -0.25       -3.50
1994      4    3        0.00       -0.14
1995      3    4        1.43       -1.86
1998      1    4       -8.60       -11.60
1999      4    2        1.00        0.67
2000      2    4       -5.83       -3.83
2013      2    4        0.00       -11.50
2024      2    0        6.50        6.00
Total     21   22      -0.72       -3.22

Interestingly, the roles were reversed in that 2013 series. The Knicks were the offensive-minded team and the Pacers were the defensive stalwarts. Unsurprisingly, the team that has the reputation of being more defensive-minded gets called for fewer fouls. It's been proven true in both of the last two series.

I don't know that you can gleem any kind of pattern, rhyme or reason to any of it. Referees are human, things happen.

[sp6r=underrated]

That could be interesting, what does the NBA do when two big markets go against each other? Does it fix it for both? Or would that come down to whose owner pays the refs more?

Indiana averages more free throws against the knicks. In the 2013 series they shot 11 more per game.

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Season   NYK   IND   NYK MOV   NYK FTA Per Game
1993      3    1       -0.25       -3.50
1994      4    3        0.00       -0.14
1995      3    4        1.43       -1.86
1998      1    4       -8.60       -11.60
1999      4    2        1.00        0.67
2000      2    4       -5.83       -3.83
2013      2    4        0.00       -11.50
2024      2    0        6.50        6.00
Total     21   22      -0.72       -3.22

Interestingly, the roles were reversed in that 2013 series. The Knicks were the offensive-minded team and the Pacers were the defensive stalwarts. Unsurprisingly, the team that has the reputation of being more defensive-minded gets called for fewer fouls. It's been proven true in both of the last two series.

Yup and also the numbers in this series and 2013 are completely consistent with the RS FTAr for both teams. I'm totally open to someone saying the calls have marginally favored NY in this series. In a sample size of 2 games, it would be surprising if 1 didn't have an edge in marginal calls.

But the tinfoil hat crowd is absurd. And the history of NY-Indy PS series proves it. The NBA isn't fixing games. And if you believe they are, why watch?

[Nuntius]

Indiana averages more free throws against the knicks. In the 2013 series they shot 11 more per game.

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Season   NYK   IND   NYK MOV   NYK FTA Per Game
1993      3    1       -0.25       -3.50
1994      4    3        0.00       -0.14
1995      3    4        1.43       -1.86
1998      1    4       -8.60       -11.60
1999      4    2        1.00        0.67
2000      2    4       -5.83       -3.83
2013      2    4        0.00       -11.50
2024      2    0        6.50        6.00
Total     21   22      -0.72       -3.22

Interestingly, the roles were reversed in that 2013 series. The Knicks were the offensive-minded team and the Pacers were the defensive stalwarts. Unsurprisingly, the team that has the reputation of being more defensive-minded gets called for fewer fouls. It's been proven true in both of the last two series.

Yup and also the numbers in this series and 2013 are completely consistent with the RS FTAr for both teams. I'm totally open to someone saying the calls have marginally favored NY in this series. In a sample size of 2 games, it would be surprising if 1 didn't have an edge in marginal calls.

But the tinfoil hat crowd is absurd. And the history of NY-Indy PS series proves it. The NBA isn't fixing games. And if you believe they are, why watch?

I agree. There are definitely some fans (interestingly, none of them are actually Pacer fans) that have laid out some conspiracy theories with no merit. The NBA isn't trying to rig anything for the Knicks.

Yes, the refs did make critical mistakes at the end of game 1 that influenced the outcome of that particular game but that doesn't mean that the game was rigged for the Knicks or that the NBA is secretly pulling the strings to help the Knicks advance. That's just bollocks. The refs are simply human and they got influenced by the amazing atmosphere in MSG. That's what home-cooking is. It's the human tendency to get swept up in the momentum of a game, especially when that is backed up by a huge-ass crowd that's screaming their lungs out. It's why teams fight for homecourt.

[DaGawd]

I don't see why this OP deserved its own topic. It should probably be a post in one of the many threads about this series. But I shouldn't back-seat moderate here.

The refs did make some mistakes that turned game 1 in New York's favor, yes (judging from the replays here, couldn't watch the game live, I was in Italy proposing to my gf). But that shouldn't take anything away from the Knicks as a team. They are a gritty team that knows how to close out games. They keep coming at you with immense intensity and Brunson keeps hitting big shots. They are a flat out good team and they deserved their wins.

As for game 2, the refs didn't impact the outcome of that game at all, imo. Brunson was once again amazing and the Knicks closed us out.

aye congrats bro

[cgf]

Lets see how Celtics will handle this situation

That could be interesting, what does the NBA do when two big markets go against each other? Does it fix it for both? Or would that come down to whose owner pays the refs more?

Indiana averages more free throws against the knicks. In the 2013 series they shot 11 more per game.

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Season   NYK   IND   NYK MOV   NYK FTA Per Game
1993      3    1       -0.25       -3.50
1994      4    3        0.00       -0.14
1995      3    4        1.43       -1.86
1998      1    4       -8.60       -11.60
1999      4    2        1.00        0.67
2000      2    4       -5.83       -3.83
2013      2    4        0.00       -11.50
2024      2    0        6.50        6.00
Total     21   22      -0.72       -3.22

See. The proof is right there. If they weren't trying to hide the fact that they were fixing games, would the Pacers so consistently get more FTA per game than the Knicks? Open your eyes sheeple.

[srhcan]

Lets see how Celtics will handle this situation

That could be interesting, what does the NBA do when two big markets go against each other? Does it fix it for both? Or would that come down to whose owner pays the refs more?

NY is still much bigger than Boston but Boston is storied (#2 after Lakers) plus Celtics should get KP back by that time. So I think it would not matter, Boston has too much talent.