John Hollinger updated Jokic all-time ranking

[HotRocks34]

https://theathletic.com/5477264/2024/05/08/nikola-jokic-mvp-nba-goat-debate/


Summary:

* Has his own all-time ranking system, which he admits has some flaws (overrates Harden and Karl Malone, underrates Jordan and others)

* Jokic currently #21 all time just behind Jerry West

* Jokic for sure is already top 30 all time

* Solid chance Jokic can finish around #12 all time



Jokic at 21 tracks with Simmons having Jokic at 25 before this current season (and new MVP, All NBA).

My guess is that Simmons will have Jokic in the teens now. But the key is that Hollinger and Simmons are both in the same ballpark when it comes to rating Jokic.

[bstein14]

When you talk about peak/prime he's already clearly a top 10 player of all time. His last four year stretch is as good as anyone out there. Skillset wise he's clearly a top 10 talent all-time as well but I'm not sure he has the same fire/competitive drive to crack most people's top ten lists because I just don't think he cares. I doubt he'll play til he's 37 or 38.

Right now I'd have a hard time putting him behind Giannis, Barkley, Malone, Dirk, David Robinson, etc... I think he's already cemented himself top 15 all-time with three MVPs and a championship that was a bit of a carry job without any other all-stars much like Dirk's 2011 championship.

[Johnny Fontane]

Seems he’s got a lot riding on these playoffs. A sweep with him and Nugs getting stifled would be a bad look for his legacy. That said overall body of work/accolades have him arguable top 20 and he’s still got years ahead

[cupcakesnake]

Weirdly enough I also have Jokic at #21 on my list, despite not using/knowing any of Holliger's metrics.

[AleksandarN]

Seems he’s got a lot riding on these playoffs. A sweep with him and Nugs getting stifled would be a bad look for his legacy. That said overall body of work/accolades have him arguable top 20 and he’s still got years ahead

I don’t think one series will affect his legacy in the long run. All all time greats had bad series one time or another he is 29 for crying out loud lol. No one had perfect post season series. Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, Kareem.

[Johnny Fontane]

Seems he’s got a lot riding on these playoffs. A sweep with him and Nugs getting stifled would be a bad look for his legacy. That said overall body of work/accolades have him arguable top 20 and he’s still got years ahead

I don’t think one series will affect his legacy in the long run. All all time greats had bad series one time or another he is 29 for crying out loud lol. No one had perfect post season series. Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, Kareem.

You may have a point but yet it won’t stop the critics from having their say

[HotRocks34]

When you talk about peak/prime he's already clearly a top 10 player of all time.

Hollinger said this, that his current 4 year run is up at the top.

His list is a "measure the career accomplishments" list, it seems.