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mitchweber wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
1) I don't think the point of the process is to strategize to win the game, but to pick who deserves to go, within reason.
2) Deron's stats are actually 19-3-9 playing at what I would guess is a considerably slower pace than Baron, and on much better percentages. And passing-lane steals are kind of a meaningless stat.
The_Believer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
1. Camby is making a strong case for all-star consideration, with his impressive 14 board and 4 block average. Amare, as usual, is having a great year as well.
2) Deron's assist numbers are inflated by him having the best frontline in the league. And he can't take over games on both ends like Baron can, which is why Baron is a top 10 mvp candidate this year and Deron isn't even top 25 in that matter. Keep in mind that in Nellieball, those "meaningless steals" mean a lot, since Baron is very good at setting up fastbreak points from steals. Also, the Warrior's record >Jazz's despite the deficiency of a post prescense in GS.
Don't get me wrong-Deron is by no means a bad player, but in most people's minds, there are several people ahead of him in the ASG hunt (the Spurs guards, Marion, Roy, etc...). He's just gonna have to wait his turn, once again.
nate33 wrote:In the East, Billups, Butler, Pierce and Bosh are locks. Let's stop talking about them. They're in.
That leaves the final 3 spots. I think with the versatility of the guys above, the final 3 positions don't really matter much. They could bring in 3 more forwards if they want to because Pierce and Butler can play guard and Bosh can play center.
The final three players will be among:
Calderon
Hamilton
Jefferson
Turkaglu
G.Wallace
J.Smith
Jamison
R.Wallace
lgauskas
Just for kicks, here are the pace-adjusted per-40 numbers for these players:Code: Select all
Player PTS REB AST STL BLK TO eFG% TS% PER
calderon,jos 15.9 4.2 11.3 1.4 0.1 2.1 .564 .603 21.9
hamilton,ric 22.6 3.9 5.2 1.2 0.2 2.3 .541 .576 20.1
jefferson,ri 25.0 4.5 3.0 1.0 0.3 2.8 .480 .570 18.6
turkoglu,hed 19.6 6.2 4.4 1.2 0.4 2.9 .502 .556 16.7
wallace,gera 21.8 6.4 3.5 2.3 1.0 3.3 .496 .554 19.0
smith,josh 20.9 9.3 4.1 2.2 3.8 3.8 .446 .509 21.0
jamison,anta 21.9 10.7 1.7 0.9 0.5 1.4 .486 .528 20.1
wallace,rash 16.3 9.5 2.6 1.8 1.9 1.6 .484 .510 16.5
ilgauskas,zy 18.4 12.7 1.7 0.6 1.9 2.4 .485 .535 19.1
Looking at the numbers, I think you have to eliminate Jefferson, Turkaglu and R.Wallace. There's just no reason to take them when other guys with similar roles on winning teams are putting up drastically better numbers.
I also think Gerald Wallace needs to be eliminated because his numbers and impact aren't sufficiently better than his competition to outweigh his poor team record.
That leaves us with 5 players for the last 3 spots:
Jose Calderon
Richard Hamilton
Josh Smith
Antawn Jamison
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
I think there's a fair argument for any of them. I think Jamison is the closest to a lock here because of his team's record, his heavy minute load, and he'll get a little extra credit for being a classy veteran and team leader.
I figure one of Calderon and Hamilton go, but not both. And I think one of Josh Smith and Z go, but not both. If it were up to me, I'd take Hamilton and Z.
oak2455 wrote:Do understand English???
Hopper15 wrote:I know I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm taking into consideration where the teams are in the playoff race and how many players from a team should go based on that. That's why DWill, Boozer, Josh Smith, et al won't make my list.
Camby won't make the list simply because Denver has two guys as starters already and they're not good enough to get three guys on. If Anthony can't play because of his ankle, then Camby should go. Amare is pathetic on defense, so I'm not giving him the nod either.
West: Chandler, Nowitzki, West, Paul, Nash, Davis, Roy
East: R Wallace, Butler, Bosh, Billups, Calderon, Pierce, Turkoglu
penbeast0 wrote:If you feel Denver doesn't deserve 3 players, why cut Camby? He is outplaying the other center candidates by more than Iverson is outplaying the other guard candidates. Send Camby and Carmelo then pick one of the many outstanding guards from another team.
About_Blank wrote:Despite of the Nets Record, Vince Carter is putting better numbers than Ray Allen , Michael Redd, Hamilton , Paul Pierce, etc, etc
mitchweber wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
1. I acknowledged both in my original post, and one could certainly make a good point for both. I guess you could say that both got cut for me for kind of political reasons. I figured somebody from Utah had to get in, and since it wasn't going to be Deron, it would have to be Boozer. Camby was kind of eliminated because it's just really tough to justify sending 3 guys from a team who is, IIRC 6th in the conference. The decision for Amare came down to him and Howard, and I felt Howard was more deserving. But like I said, one could definitely make arguements for both Amare and Camby.
2. Baron takes over games defensively? I mean really? And sure the steals are helpful to his team, but they don't prove him to be really superior defensively IMO. It's largely a factor of the system they play in.
Baron's not exactly surrounded by slouches.
And I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing. I picked Baron for some of the reasons that you mentioned. But there is a big gap there in assists, and frankly I'd much rather have Deron's scoring considering the rather large difference in efficiency. So I still believe that Deron has better stats, but I still gave the spot to Baron.
), due to their MASSIVE underachieving.About_Blank wrote:Despite of the Nets Record, Vince Carter is putting better numbers than Ray Allen , Michael Redd, Hamilton , Paul Pierce, etc, etc
