Lebron and 1999/2000 Shaq? How dominant would they be

[B-Scott]

Lebron is better in the open floor then Kobe

Much Faster and more explosive.

If Eric Snow can make a simple outlet pass off a Ilgauskas rebound to Lebron for the dunk,then im sure Ron Harper, Fisher, Brian Shaw could do the same off a Shaq rebound. It's not that difficult.

Lebron is a more efficient player, better passer, stronger/faster then 2000 Kobe and Shaq was the most dominant player in the game.

Shaq got to the Finals with Penny and won a title with Wade.

[Milan24]

Lebron is better in the open floor then Kobe

Much Faster and more explosive.

SO what, Kobe is plenty capable of running the fast break effectively. There would not of been more fast breaks on that 99-00 Laker team if Lebron was on it instead of Kobe.

If Eric Snow can make a simple outlet pass off a Ilgauskas rebound to Lebron for the dunk,then im sure Ron Harper, Fisher, Brian Shaw could do the same off a Shaq rebound. It's not that difficult

They could of done the same thing for Kobe but they didn't because that is not the game plan for Phil Jackson in his first year as coach. Maybe you don't remember but Phil specifically stated that they were going to force feed Shaq to get high percentages shots. That doesn't mean that they would run more fast break plays because Lebron is on the team when Kobe is just as capable of finishing a fast break as is Lebron.

Lebron is a more efficient player, better passer, stronger/faster then 2000 Kobe and Shaq was the most dominant player in the game.

So **** what? Kobe and Shaq won a title that season. That it the ultimate goal. Lebron and Shaq could not of doen better becasue you can't to better then winning a championship.

Shaq got to the Finals with Penny and won a title with Wade.

Completely irrelevant to anything in this thread.

[SuigintouEV]

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Fast break basketball? You must be confusing cleveland with Phoenix. Is there somewhere that tracks team's fast break points for a season? I'd be pretty shocked if the cavs score more fast break points than the 3 peat lakers.

The cavs aren't a fast break team because of thier personell, but lebron is in every way a fast break player - not only is he an elite outlet passer, he lead the league in fast break points last year.

I see lebron's scoring going down, assists staying about the same, and FG% going up. He would essentially be a rich man's penny hardaway, except with a prime shaq, and better defense, and a better jump shot.

[RJM]

2008 Lebron James >>>> 2000 Kobe Bryant. Comeon now.

[Milan24]

2008 Lebron James >>>> 2000 Kobe Bryant. Comeon now.

I don't think anyone is deyning that. I mean 2008 Kobe>>>>2000 Kobe.

2000 Kobe and Shaq won a championship. 2008 Lebron and 2000 Shaq can't really improve on that.

[Cracked Fingers]

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didnt wade lead the league in points in the paint his first year with Shaq?

Wade luckily has never faced handchecking.

Kobe faced it often for several years.

[andyhop]

Given the way Shaq was playing in 2000 any top of the line wings playing alongside him would have ended up winning the title.(apart from T-Mac obviously who would have lead the team to an upset defeat in the first round )

Kobe played his part and helped win the championship ,just like I'm sure LeBron would do playing with Shaq from 2000.

The rest of this thread is just pretty pointless bs

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

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Because the Cavs play fast break basketball, that Lakers team did not. You should know that, considering you call yourself a Laker fan. That in it self would reduce Lebron getting into the paint and factor in Shaq clogging the lane he would even get less looks in the paint.

What are you talking about? The Cavs slow the pace down. The only one that can run on that team is LeBron. He's a one man fast break no matter what team he's on. That would not change. It's not like Cleveland runs as a team with some Nash-like PG. Gibson can't do anything but shoot.

[Cevap]

If Eric Snow can make a simple outlet pass off a Ilgauskas rebound to Lebron for the dunk,then im sure Ron Harper, Fisher, Brian Shaw could do the same off a Shaq rebound. It's not that difficult

They could of done the same thing for Kobe but they didn't because that is not the game plan for Phil Jackson in his first year as coach. Maybe you don't remember but Phil specifically stated that they were going to force feed Shaq to get high percentages shots. That doesn't mean that they would run more fast break plays because Lebron is on the team when Kobe is just as capable of finishing a fast break as is Lebron.

the cavs basically crawl across half court 90% of the time and set their offense up. there's no way lebron wouldn't get more fast break points with the lakers in 2000 then he gets today. They would've won 4 championships that year...no doubt, no doubt in my mind

[EHL]

LeBron would regress statistically, certainly, but the Lakers would still win the title as they did in 2000. Shaq would still be the undeniable 1st option (that year). They'd lose fewer games in that postseason, but as others have said, they'd still be a bad fit because Shaq's presence would demand more outside shooting from LeBron, not his forte, and would also clog the lane and allow significantly less penetration.

Oh, and LeBron wouldn't sniff 52%. No guard, whether it's Wade, Kobe, or (healthy) Penny had their scoring efficiency affected by playing with Shaq. This is well documented and on the record, look it up.

[farzi]

They wouldn't have beaten Portland in that 7 game series.

Shaq would probably be in LA right now though.

[Myth_Breaker]

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My point about Van Exel and Eddie Jones is if they can get to the WCF with Shaq then most likely Lebron and Shaq go get to the next level.

Are you trying to pretend not remembering that EJ and NVE were All-Stars back then? Reaching WCF by Shaq with them is rather obvious achievement: but getting swept - which you conveniently didn't mention, what you often do with facts embarassing your posts - is an achievement which in turn is rather dubious. Anyway, 2000 Lakers, with KB before his prime and aging Rice, had lesser talent overall than their 1998 version, - yet went 2 rounds further in the playoffs, all the way to the 'chip. Of course, we can't forget Phil's coaching, but anyway using 1998 vs. 2000 argument against Kobe is shooting yourself in the foot again.

Did you honestly think Scotti Pippen, Bonzi Wells, Steve Smith of 2000 would have been able to stay in front of Lebron. Portland would have been the only team Shaq and Lebron would have had to beat.

Unlike it was with Kobe/Shaq? What's your point again?

I think Lebron dominates that Portland team more then Kobe. Remember that wasnt prime Kobe.

Oh, I remember what your point is: criticizing Kobe under every possible occasion, whether compared to Bynum or even lowly Odom. Now it's time for unfair comparison of prime LeBron with Kobe before his prime. Is there any agenda on these boards more transparent and pathetic than yours (except some Jordanaires')? It's really schizophrenic: claiming being fan of a team AND spending virtually all the time here on dragging down its main star?!

P.S. You know, this agenda becomes even more transparent considering you keep arguing even with posters who think that Shaq/LBJ duo would win a ring as well - but apparently their posts lacked your favorite Kobe-bashing part...