T-Spot wrote:A jump shot team with no inside presence.
Bull's in a nut shell.
Sometimes you make the shots, other times you don't. Without that steady 20 point guy inside, its not going to work. Shooters get less open looks and when they go cold, no one can sustain the team.
The Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Cavs, Pistons, Boston, Magic, Hornets, Raptors, Jazz, and so on and so fourth all have people that they can throw the ball inside, and get buckets. Even Golden State has a better inside power than the Bulls.
Thomas and Noah don't cut it.
No post player is a problem, no superstar scorer is a problem, but the Bulls haven't had the chance to get one. As far as Kobe/Gasol/KG, the Bulls were willing to trade a lot (including Deng) for Kobe, but KB vetoed the trade, there simply wasn't any combo to satisfy all 3 teams. Gasol would have required Gordon/Deng/Noah, which is worth way more than him, yet he got traded for pennies on the dollar. Same with the KG trade.
Just as much of us having a problem with jumpshooting is the offense we run. There are no backdoor cuts. Ben Wallace sets picks at the 3 point line leading to our guards being doubled all game. Our system is designed to get jumpshots. It is a set system that has never been adapted to the personal. It's great for Joe Smith, but underutilizes Thomas/Noah, overutilizes Wallace, and puts undo pressure on the guards.
1. Prissy bunch of whiners. You are not superstars. Get boards, and learn some post moves.
2. Besides the over energetic dunk, Thomas a barely adequate PF.
3. Noah has better footwork and softer hands and could become what they need, but that will take time.
4. No one seems to want to bang and fight for position or boards.
Thomas is a bust. Mad hops don't get you anything. Noah could become somewhat of a garbage bucket man like Kendrik Perkins.
1) Haterade, damn. I'd be curious where you can find them whining, I have yet to see evidence of it and I watch every game. They do rebound (#1 and #2 on the team with Rebound rates of 16.6 and 15.2), and Noah has shown adequate post moves. Tyrus is a face up player and has worked on his game. Everyone and their mothers new he would take a few years with how raw he was (1 year of college, 2 years of high school, as a pg), why is he getting criticized for not being Hakeem in year 2?
2) He has a long ways to go, but he is a good rebounder, excellent defender, can finish, and is an excellent passer. SS and Boylan's jerking him around has visibly set him back, when given a consistent role he is above average.
3) Yea, he's a rookie, is this a shocking revalation?
4) Noah and Tyrus fight for rebounds. The guy you mean to single out is Wallace, who is killing us on offense, killing us on defense, killing us on the boards, and killing us in the lockerroom. The jury's still out on Tyrus (here's Thorpe's evaluation
http://www.blogabull.com/story/2008/1/30/163158/532 ). Noah's already better than Perkins and has shown some moves in the post.
On what the Bulls offered and that the Lakers got for Gasol.
Lakers: Expiring Brown, Citerra(what ever his name is), a veteran McKie, two future draft picks, and Marc Gasol.
Bulls: Expiring Brown (haha, get it?), Thomas the bust, and one future pick (which got Noah, which isn't the best of picks, hindsight says that Al Thorn.)
It pretty much an even trade, but I'd take the Lakers offer. Marc Gasol is the deal changer.
Well, you have to see that the Grizz wanted Gordon/Deng/the pick. The idea of them demanding that much from the Bulls and then trading him for crap is ludicrous. And if you think Noah/Tyrus has less value than Critt/M Gasol, well you're outta your mind. I'd like to see how you think Thornton was the right pick, he's 25 and has a PER like 5 points below Noah's. Noah's a 7 footer too. Usually taking the better, taller, younger player is the way to go, but I see how you would make a great GM.
Considering Glen Davis and Scola are looking like better players than Noah is, I think the lower picks deserve some love.
Well considering Scola wasn't drafted this year (several years ago) and considering he is 27 and in his prime, yea he does look good. Davis looks good too. However, Noah is 2nd among rookies in PER and has spent much of the season in first place. Interesting you single out the Bulls for picking him, which looks like a very good pick, and ignore that the players picked before and after him (Wright and Hawes) haven't shown ****. Gray has looked like a steal at pick 49 as well.
I'd like to see what Tyrus "Kwame Brown II" Thomas can achieve in any system.
If you're gonna pick a comparison, at least pick one that has grounds to defend. Wow. Have you ever seen Tyrus play?
Your posts are just filled with ignorance and blind hatred, and are completely devoid of any evidence to back up your claims. but thanks for the input, it was really constructive.
