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Special_Puppy wrote:Am I dumb for thinking this team can make the finals next year?
Bruin wrote:The KD trade was such a horrible move for them. They had a strong young core that could’ve had a window for several years. Traded it all away for washed up talent.
I remember when people were praising James Jones for building a juggernaut lmfao
shi-woo wrote:Why people trashing the KD trade, it honestly wasn't that bad. KD and Booker looked legit and were able to play off each other well from the games I watched.
Trading for Beal was horrible, made no sense, and they sold as low as you can go on Ayton too.
I'm not sure what the relationship was like, but idk why they got rid of Paul. He still could have been an effective player. and given Book and KDs ability to run the offense, they didn't need him to play 35+ minutes every night.
The Ayton trade actually was decent looking back on it, as both Nurk and Allen were awesome for them this year. Bringing in Gordon and Royce was also solid. The bench wasn't bad, and all of Rody, Bol, Little, Drew, and Okogie have made other teams rotations. They just never found a spot for most of those guys.
That Beal trade man.
Nurk- Eubanks
KD- Royce- Rody
Book- Okogie- Little
Allen- EG
Paul
That team just looks so much better and more balanced. Feel bad for Sun fans
Pointgod wrote:shi-woo wrote:Why people trashing the KD trade, it honestly wasn't that bad. KD and Booker looked legit and were able to play off each other well from the games I watched.
Trading for Beal was horrible, made no sense, and they sold as low as you can go on Ayton too.
I'm not sure what the relationship was like, but idk why they got rid of Paul. He still could have been an effective player. and given Book and KDs ability to run the offense, they didn't need him to play 35+ minutes every night.
The Ayton trade actually was decent looking back on it, as both Nurk and Allen were awesome for them this year. Bringing in Gordon and Royce was also solid. The bench wasn't bad, and all of Rody, Bol, Little, Drew, and Okogie have made other teams rotations. They just never found a spot for most of those guys.
That Beal trade man.
Nurk- Eubanks
KD- Royce- Rody
Book- Okogie- Little
Allen- EG
Paul
That team just looks so much better and more balanced. Feel bad for Sun fans
I mean that team with Chris Paul constantly injured only looks marginally better than the current team. Bridges and Cam Johnson aren’t exactly lighting it up on the Nets, Paul was injured in Golden State and Ayton was flat out terrible in Portland. I don’t think if the Suns had kept the original team they’re in a much better position, only difference is they’d have all of their draft picks.
There’s just too much talent in the NBA for teams to completely throw together 3 superstars with zero depth, needless to say these superstars never really fit together either
shi-woo wrote:Pointgod wrote:shi-woo wrote:Why people trashing the KD trade, it honestly wasn't that bad. KD and Booker looked legit and were able to play off each other well from the games I watched.
Trading for Beal was horrible, made no sense, and they sold as low as you can go on Ayton too.
I'm not sure what the relationship was like, but idk why they got rid of Paul. He still could have been an effective player. and given Book and KDs ability to run the offense, they didn't need him to play 35+ minutes every night.
The Ayton trade actually was decent looking back on it, as both Nurk and Allen were awesome for them this year. Bringing in Gordon and Royce was also solid. The bench wasn't bad, and all of Rody, Bol, Little, Drew, and Okogie have made other teams rotations. They just never found a spot for most of those guys.
That Beal trade man.
Nurk- Eubanks
KD- Royce- Rody
Book- Okogie- Little
Allen- EG
Paul
That team just looks so much better and more balanced. Feel bad for Sun fans
I mean that team with Chris Paul constantly injured only looks marginally better than the current team. Bridges and Cam Johnson aren’t exactly lighting it up on the Nets, Paul was injured in Golden State and Ayton was flat out terrible in Portland. I don’t think if the Suns had kept the original team they’re in a much better position, only difference is they’d have all of their draft picks.
There’s just too much talent in the NBA for teams to completely throw together 3 superstars with zero depth, needless to say these superstars never really fit together either
I liked the Ayton and KD trades though.
My question to Suns fans was why do the CP3 trade, unless the relationship was really that sour? At worst it could have been used as an expiring later on or for a 2 for 1 trade like Ayton.
Yea there wasn't a whole lot of clarity on CP. I think both parties got bad over night and things just kind of deteriorated. Chris thought that Isiah Thomas was in Ishbias ear and running things, I think there was talk of maybe Paul taking a lesser role and coming off the bench and he wasn't having that. Of course theres always the fact that like clockwork he was injured in the playoffs. He was a really big reason why we've had a lot of success in phx the last few years, at the same time he couldn't stay healthy when we needed him. It wasn't really a bad move that we parted ways, but more of who we replaced him with.shi-woo wrote:Pointgod wrote:shi-woo wrote:Why people trashing the KD trade, it honestly wasn't that bad. KD and Booker looked legit and were able to play off each other well from the games I watched.
Trading for Beal was horrible, made no sense, and they sold as low as you can go on Ayton too.
I'm not sure what the relationship was like, but idk why they got rid of Paul. He still could have been an effective player. and given Book and KDs ability to run the offense, they didn't need him to play 35+ minutes every night.
The Ayton trade actually was decent looking back on it, as both Nurk and Allen were awesome for them this year. Bringing in Gordon and Royce was also solid. The bench wasn't bad, and all of Rody, Bol, Little, Drew, and Okogie have made other teams rotations. They just never found a spot for most of those guys.
That Beal trade man.
Nurk- Eubanks
KD- Royce- Rody
Book- Okogie- Little
Allen- EG
Paul
That team just looks so much better and more balanced. Feel bad for Sun fans
I mean that team with Chris Paul constantly injured only looks marginally better than the current team. Bridges and Cam Johnson aren’t exactly lighting it up on the Nets, Paul was injured in Golden State and Ayton was flat out terrible in Portland. I don’t think if the Suns had kept the original team they’re in a much better position, only difference is they’d have all of their draft picks.
There’s just too much talent in the NBA for teams to completely throw together 3 superstars with zero depth, needless to say these superstars never really fit together either
I liked the Ayton and KD trades though.
My question to Suns fans was why do the CP3 trade, unless the relationship was really that sour? At worst it could have been used as an expiring later on or for a 2 for 1 trade like Ayton.
Biff wrote:I just hope we blew this thing up entirely and try to get some assets back. If Ishbia tries to run this back we're gonna be screwed until the 2030's.
PG13 says high tooWestbrookGOATed wrote:That trade for Beal has to go down as one of the all time worst.
Johnny Bball wrote:Biff wrote:I just hope we blew this thing up entirely and try to get some assets back. If Ishbia tries to run this back we're gonna be screwed until the 2030's.
How do you blow it up when you don't own your own picks?
Nah, they aren't doing that, they are going to retool and try this again.
Don't feel so bad, half the raptors forum if not more would have made a worse deal for KD.
Invictus88 wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Biff wrote:I just hope we blew this thing up entirely and try to get some assets back. If Ishbia tries to run this back we're gonna be screwed until the 2030's.
How do you blow it up when you don't own your own picks?
Nah, they aren't doing that, they are going to retool and try this again.
Don't feel so bad, half the raptors forum if not more would have made a worse deal for KD.
Retool with what?
They are so far over the apron that they don't have salary to sign better players. They are 9 digits over the cap and will have a luxury tax bill of 9 digits on top of that.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/overview/_/year/2024
They've traded away pretty much every conceivable draft pick asset they had through 2030. (2 2nd rounders remaining; lower end of pick swaps for all the 1sts they couldn't fully deal away).
https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Suns/24/draft-picks
They need to hope and pray this really is a situation where it was a coaching / scheme problem and the next guy can come in and do magic with what they currently have.
slick_watts wrote:unless i'm mistaken, the suns won't have tax mle either because they are a 2nd apron team. also can't aggregate salaries in a trade.