Cavs do not have their 2025 or 2027 first rounders.KnicksManiac wrote:Knicks Trade:
-Bojan Bogdanovic (expiring)
-Deuce McBride
-DaQuan Jeffries
-Jericho Sims
-2024 Knicks 1st Round Pick
-2024 Mavs 1st Round Pick
-2024 Wizards 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2024 Pistons 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2025 Bucks 1st Round Pick (protected)
-2025 Pick Swap
-2026 Knicks 1st Round Pick (unprotected)
-2027 Pick Swap
-2028 Knicks 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
Cavs Trade:
Donovan Mitchell
What's your teams best offer for Donovan Mitchell?
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Mitchell has never made it past the 2nd round in his career. What are we defining as a "deep" playoff run?FarBeyondDriven wrote:Laimbeer wrote:For reference the Cavs gave up -
Unprotected FRPs in 2025, 2027, 2029
Unprotected swaps in 2026 and 2028
Lauri Markkanen
Collin Sexton
Ochai Agbaji
Danny Ainge is a bad human being.
it wasn't a great trade since it was always going to result in a very small backcourt with real issues defending. That said, this trade package is the going price for a star that gives you a chance to make a deep playoff run and that's what they got but it was derailed by injuries. So it's not as bad as people are making it out to be unless they lose Mitchell for nothing which we know they won't.
Agbaji is irrelevant. Sexton is jag. Markkanen is nice. The swaps may never happen and even if they did it would only likely be a minimal difference. The three FRP, if Mitchell stays, are likely all in the 20s. If they trade him now they can recoup some or all of them and they'll likely be higher picks than their own would have been (provided they keep Garland and Mobley and build around them and stay competitive) at the end of the day. Per usual on RealGM people are being hyperbolic.
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The Nuggets, he would fill that Murray role perfectly.Deivork wrote:Another interesting question would be, where does Donovan Mitchell make sense? What's his ideal environment to get a ring?
The issue is, the Jazz and Cavs never figured out that Mitchell is a lead guard. Everyone keeps putting the wrong guys in the backcourt with him.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:The Nuggets, he would fill that Murray role perfectly.Deivork wrote:Another interesting question would be, where does Donovan Mitchell make sense? What's his ideal environment to get a ring?
The issue is, the Jazz and Cavs never figured out that Mitchell is a lead guard. Everyone keeps putting the wrong guys in the backcourt with him.
miami.. that’s a spot where he fills a need and can play his game
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monopoman wrote:tcheco wrote:I wonder if heat will do whatever it takes to get him, they shouldn't be worried about him re-signing there too...
Herro + JJJ + Jovic is quite the package
There is no way they give up Jovic or JJJ, word is they weren't even interested in offering those guys for Lillard.
Another year, another player, after a bad year, the urgency in some teams change. But who knows
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Somebody already did an Orlando Magic one, and we would only do this if we get the wink wink from Donovan's agent that he would extend here, but I would think that it would probably look something like:
- Jonathan Isaac
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard if CLE prefers him)
- 2024 FRP (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
Or, if the Cavs insist on Wendell Carter (12m/y) deal to play backup big for them and Trade Jarret Allen, which they might wanna do, regardless:
- Jonathan Isaac
- Wendell Carter Jr.
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard)
- 2024 FR (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
- Sam Merrill
- The better between the two 2025 second rounders of Cleveland's own and Milwaukee's.
I would maybe throw in a pick swap in 2027 or beyond or some extra second rounders if needed, but not much more than that.
- Jonathan Isaac
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard if CLE prefers him)
- 2024 FRP (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
Or, if the Cavs insist on Wendell Carter (12m/y) deal to play backup big for them and Trade Jarret Allen, which they might wanna do, regardless:
- Jonathan Isaac
- Wendell Carter Jr.
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard)
- 2024 FR (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
- Sam Merrill
- The better between the two 2025 second rounders of Cleveland's own and Milwaukee's.
I would maybe throw in a pick swap in 2027 or beyond or some extra second rounders if needed, but not much more than that.
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Catchall wrote:ChipotleWest wrote:Catchall wrote:What if Donovan doesn't commit to re-sign?
Teams will offer less then, although in the case of the Lakers I think they'd trade Reaves anyway and hope they can re-sign him.
I think Donovan's plan is (or at least was) to go to Miami and play with Bam. I thought Jaylen Brown might join them as well before he signed his big extension.
There was really no way Brown was going anywhere the instant he made 2nd Team ALL NBA. That triggered the SUPERMAX. So even if Brown hated the Celtics he needed to sign for money he wasn't getting anywhere else. The Celtics needed to sign him or lose him for nothing. You can't be traded for a full year after you sign a SUPERMAX. So hypothetically if say the Celtics are swept in the ECF by an undermanned Knicks team and the team wants a radical change, Brown would be the logical one to go. Tatum will be in the midst that Brown was in, getting his SUPERMAX
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So many of these offers have so very little of what Cleveland will be looking for if they trade Mitchell. They have no need for draft pick-laden deals. If they did, they talk to Oklahoma City first.
The first thing Cleveland would want in a Mitchell trade is a young player near the Mobley/Garland timeline. Someone 22-27, 3+ years of team control, potential all-star. The best offer starts there.
The first thing Cleveland would want in a Mitchell trade is a young player near the Mobley/Garland timeline. Someone 22-27, 3+ years of team control, potential all-star. The best offer starts there.
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monopoman wrote:tcheco wrote:I wonder if heat will do whatever it takes to get him, they shouldn't be worried about him re-signing there too...
Herro + JJJ + Jovic is quite the package
There is no way they give up Jovic or JJJ, word is they weren't even interested in offering those guys for Lillard.
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Mitchell gets them younger than Lillard. It keeps their contending window open a little longer. With Lillard it would have been this year and next. With Mitchell they can build around Bam and him moving forward and Jimmy can either enter into the next phase or they move him for more depth and picks.
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KnicksManiac wrote:Knicks Trade:
-Bojan Bogdanovic (expiring)
-Deuce McBride
-DaQuan Jeffries
-Jericho Sims
-2024 Knicks 1st Round Pick
-2024 Mavs 1st Round Pick
-2024 Wizards 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2024 Pistons 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2025 Bucks 1st Round Pick (protected)
-2025 Pick Swap
-2026 Knicks 1st Round Pick (unprotected)
-2027 Pick Swap
-2028 Knicks 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
Cavs Trade:
Donovan Mitchell
The list looks impressive until you dig into the details of how the picks convey. You see teams like Washington and Detroit and get excited....until you realize that there is a better chance of them being 2nd round picks than good players. The Knicks have picks to put them into most any trade conversations. But they actually have to give up something real WITH picks to get something done.
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Clemenza wrote:Laimbeer wrote:For reference the Cavs gave up -
Unprotected FRPs in 2025, 2027, 2029
Unprotected swaps in 2026 and 2028
Lauri Markkanen
Collin Sexton
Ochai Agbaji
Danny Ainge is a bad human being.
Sheesh, and people still bring up the PG/OKC trade after this?
well, given the scuttle this am is Mitchell is likely to resign with cleveland, the picks and pickawaps are likely not going to be lottery picks.
Abajai has already been trades
Sexton profiles as a 6th man heat check guy
and Markannan is going to want the max next offseason…have fun Utah
clipper, meanwhile, gave up an MVP candidate and all the future picks on an old team
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DaGawd wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:The Nuggets, he would fill that Murray role perfectly.Deivork wrote:Another interesting question would be, where does Donovan Mitchell make sense? What's his ideal environment to get a ring?
The issue is, the Jazz and Cavs never figured out that Mitchell is a lead guard. Everyone keeps putting the wrong guys in the backcourt with him.
miami.. that’s a spot where he fills a need and can play his game
Ooooof. Does this mean Pat Riley has to lie to Tyler Herro about never considering trading him - again?
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toooskies wrote:So many of these offers have so very little of what Cleveland will be looking for if they trade Mitchell. They have no need for draft pick-laden deals. If they did, they talk to Oklahoma City first.
The first thing Cleveland would want in a Mitchell trade is a young player near the Mobley/Garland timeline. Someone 22-27, 3+ years of team control, potential all-star. The best offer starts there.
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LaLover11 wrote:toooskies wrote:So many of these offers have so very little of what Cleveland will be looking for if they trade Mitchell. They have no need for draft pick-laden deals. If they did, they talk to Oklahoma City first.
The first thing Cleveland would want in a Mitchell trade is a young player near the Mobley/Garland timeline. Someone 22-27, 3+ years of team control, potential all-star. The best offer starts there.
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Sorry, he's 28.
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Message Boar wrote:Somebody already did an Orlando Magic one, and we would only do this if we get the wink wink from Donovan's agent that he would extend here, but I would think that it would probably look something like:
- Jonathan Isaac
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard if CLE prefers him)
- 2024 FRP (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
Or, if the Cavs insist on Wendell Carter (12m/y) deal to play backup big for them and Trade Jarret Allen, which they might wanna do, regardless:
- Jonathan Isaac
- Wendell Carter Jr.
- Anthony Black (or Jett Howard)
- 2024 FR (18th)
- 2025 Denver FRP
- 2026 ORL FRP (top 5 protected)
for:
- Donovan Mitchell
- Sam Merrill
- The better between the two 2025 second rounders of Cleveland's own and Milwaukee's.
I would maybe throw in a pick swap in 2027 or beyond or some extra second rounders if needed, but not much more than that.
If Mitchell was smart the Magic would be on his short list. He fits better with that team than most of the teams getting mentioned right now.
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KnicksManiac wrote:Knicks Trade:
-Bojan Bogdanovic (expiring)
-Deuce McBride
-DaQuan Jeffries
-Jericho Sims
-2024 Knicks 1st Round Pick
-2024 Mavs 1st Round Pick
-2024 Wizards 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2024 Pistons 1st Round Pick (protected, will not convey this year)
-2025 Bucks 1st Round Pick (protected)
-2025 Pick Swap
-2026 Knicks 1st Round Pick (unprotected)
-2027 Pick Swap
-2028 Knicks 1st Round Pick (top 10 protected)
Cavs Trade:
Donovan Mitchell
As a knicks hater, I would love to see this. Blow their load on a player that will be marginalized and will marginalize their best player all while making their defense substantially worse trotting out the smallest back court in the NBA.
The only issue is I like Donovan and wouldn't want to see his career go to s**t in such a bad scenario.
Unfortunately, I think Leon Rose is smarter than this.
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Deivork wrote:Another interesting question would be, where does Donovan Mitchell make sense? What's his ideal environment to get a ring?
The answer to this is undoubtedly Miami alongside Bam and Jimmy. That core has been desperately needing exactly what Mitchell provides. That core also covers for all of Mitchell's limitations. TBD if Miami is willing or able to offer all that it would take for it to happen.
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Cavs would want win-now type players in return... their unprotected picks are going to Utah for a while...
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We have to see where Mitchell decides he wants to play first. He's going to have a list of 2-3 teams that he's willing to sign an extension with. Teams don't hold the cards when the player is in his final year.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Ainge bent Koby Altman over twice.BigGargamel wrote:Laimbeer wrote:For reference the Cavs gave up -
Unprotected FRPs in 2025, 2027, 2029
Unprotected swaps in 2026 and 2028
Lauri Markkanen
Collin Sexton
Ochai Agbaji
Danny Ainge is a bad human being.
Man...everyone talks about the Gobert trade but this one is brutal as well. Ainge is a shark.
Ainge never makes a deal unless the other GM is committing career suicide, that's why he gets these enormous asset packages and then sits on them until they grow mold and sprout maggots, instead of making a fair deal for the missing piece to put his team over the top.