2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #4 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. #5 Orlando Magic (CLE WINS 4-3)

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Who wins?

Cavs in 4
6
2%
Cavs in 5
41
14%
Cavs in 6
69
24%
Cavs in 7
39
14%
Magic in 4
7
2%
Magic in 5
7
2%
Magic in 6
72
25%
Magic in 7
42
15%
 
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Re: 2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #4 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. #5 Orlando Magic (Series tied 2-2) 

Post#1761 » by jbk1234 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 2:43 pm

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Not really, none of that changes the fact that if Donovan Mitchell was playing at near MVP level like he's shown at various times in his career (including pre-All Star break) and Darius Garland was playing at an All-Star level like he's shown at various times in his career; everything would be going a lot easier for the Cavs and for all the players that need to feed off them.

Working around that takes magic that JB Bickerstaff does not possess and perhaps no coach does in this era.

His career is resting on those two guys stringing together more than one good quarter here or there, unless the Magic just aren't ready to win outside of Florida and find a way to out brick us.


Mosley looked at what was happening with the two teams playing this series, said we're not getting it done starting Isaac against the Cavs starters, moved him to the bench, and it's paid dividends. He looked at how effective Suggs was against Garland, how effective Harris was against Mitchell, switched assignments, and it's paid dividends.

There's a big difference between college and the pros and it has to do with adjusting to matchup issues that are team-specific in a 7-game series.


Funny that the two adjustments you mentioned, were just Mosley going back to what the Magic were doing in the regular season .vs. the Cavs. The Cavs should have been prepared and ready for those.

The Cavs still dropped 60pts in the first half of game 4 and then suddenly could barely score in the second half. There's a much simpler explanation for that I keep pointing out and I just wonder how many times you need to see it play out before you're going to be ready to ignore the typical athlete BS where they define being 100% healthy as being 100% on the floor.


Tbc, I don't think Mitchell is 100% healthy, but it doesn't follow that I ascribe 100% of his play in 3rd to the tendinitis in his knee. He made a lot of poor decisions when Garland was off the floor. Turnovers, traveling, an offensive foul, and that's before you get to him forcing bad shots up against really tall defenders.

I just don't know where the belief comes from that our defense can impact what the opposing team is able to do, but somehow an opposing team's defense can't impact what our team is able to do. That's something that obviously works both ways.
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Post#1762 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:43 pm

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Post#1763 » by Residual-Heat » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:12 pm

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I said before the series started, I wanted to see Suggs-Franz-Paolo-Isaac-WCJ. I trust Franz to hold his own defensively, while their guards would struggle to guard him. Mosley has only used that line up for like 3 minutes this series. I hope we see it again tonight. I think a lot of Magic fans want to see it. They are after all our 5 best players.
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Post#1764 » by jbk1234 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:19 pm

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This is the type factoid that could use more clarity. Is this defended after a switch? Defended on a close out after a rotation? Defended at the rim while helping?

I'd be very surprised if Frantz has been *assigned* to anyone other than LeVert or that this would be the result if the Magic attempted it.
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Post#1765 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:42 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:This is the third post season in a row where every player on the roster is wildly under performing expectations. I wonder what the common trend is?
Hopefully Koby puts the bottle down long enough to identify it lol
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Post#1766 » by JonFromVA » Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:04 pm

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Roger Murdock wrote:This is the third post season in a row where every player on the roster is wildly under performing expectations. I wonder what the common trend is?


It's two years anyway. I have the play-in games going as expected without Rubio and Allen trying to play the second game one-handed. JBB did miss a counter to the Hawks picking on Lauri in 1-3 PNR in the second half.

The consistent theme is that the opposing team makes an in-series or in-game adjustment and we have no counter.


Another consistent theme is we have players trying to play with significant injuries and not performing up to par, both have become major problems for this team.
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Post#1767 » by JonFromVA » Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:14 pm

The Cavs one consistent player in the series (Jarrett Allen) is now listed as questionable with a rib injury.
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Post#1768 » by Clav » Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:24 pm

This is a huge game and is airing on NBATv tonight :(

Was hoping to see the Game 5 atmosphere on TNT but IND MIL possible eliminator for the Bucks is on tap
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Post#1769 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:47 pm

JonFromVA wrote:The Cavs one consistent player in the series (Jarrett Allen) is now listed as questionable with a rib injury.
Oof, if he's out, this game is gonna be ugly.
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Post#1770 » by basketballRob » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:30 pm

Allen is out.

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Post#1771 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:36 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:The Cavs one consistent player in the series (Jarrett Allen) is now listed as questionable with a rib injury.
Oof, if he's out, this game is gonna be ugly.

You guys have backup bigs that are more bruisers and they have more playoff experience.
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Post#1772 » by Chuck Everett » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:40 pm

Wow, that's a huge loss.
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Post#1773 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:52 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:The Cavs one consistent player in the series (Jarrett Allen) is now listed as questionable with a rib injury.
Oof, if he's out, this game is gonna be ugly.

You guys have backup bigs that are more bruisers and they have more playoff experience.
Yet jb starts 6'4" Okoro in his place lol
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Post#1774 » by Chuck Everett » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:52 pm

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Post#1775 » by SOUL » Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:59 pm

Weren't Cavs better this year with one big playing?? Makes me scared lol
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Post#1776 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed May 1, 2024 12:01 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Oof, if he's out, this game is gonna be ugly.

You guys have backup bigs that are more bruisers and they have more playoff experience.
Yet jb starts 6'4" Okoro in his place lol

I don’t know your team. Is that a good lineup? You guys have Morris and Tristian, does he not trust them to start?
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Post#1777 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed May 1, 2024 12:06 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:You guys have backup bigs that are more bruisers and they have more playoff experience.
Yet jb starts 6'4" Okoro in his place lol

I don’t know your team. Is that a good lineup? You guys have Morris and Tristian, does he not trust them to start?
He hardly trusts the 8 guys he has played this series.

Another Magic blowout incoming.
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Post#1778 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed May 1, 2024 12:08 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Yet jb starts 6'4" Okoro in his place lol

I don’t know your team. Is that a good lineup? You guys have Morris and Tristian, does he not trust them to start?
He hardly trusts the 8 guys he has played this series.

Another Magic blowout incoming.

Oh okay lol. With the Cavs staff, I'm sure it was discussed at length with all the numbers and stats they throw around. I'm sure their reasoning make sense. I hope it's a good game.
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Post#1779 » by Iwasawitness » Wed May 1, 2024 12:09 am

SOUL wrote:Weren't Cavs better this year with one big playing?? Makes me scared lol


Yes, when it's Jarrett Allen and when they had Dean Wade. Mobley cannot handle playing center full time, at least not yet.
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Post#1780 » by Chuck Everett » Wed May 1, 2024 12:12 am

A lot is being asked of Strus. He's a SG being defended by a 6'10 SF in Wagner.
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