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HotelVitale wrote:

TwitterFingers wrote:I think he’s making the point that fans overrate the value of draft picks, to which he’s right

He's also correctly pointing out that Stepien rule means they do have picks a majority of the next 6 years.

I don't want to defend him cuz douche, but realgm in general does exaggerate the consequences of aggressive moves. There's so much 'they're screwing their future!' talk every time a team makes a star trade or at least when it start to go a little badly. Feels like it's not enough to accurately lay out the risks of trades involving 2-3 picks and like people have to embellish and seem to want teams to suffer badly for making those moves. Ishbia to some extent is responding to that kind of talk and just saying 'trading picks for 3 of the next 7 years means we still have 4 picks, it's not the end of the world.'

Also it's not like the Suns would auction everything off and rebuild right away if they did own all their picks. That inability to tear down is not the hard part of their current situation, it's that the big 3 they put together couldn't get out of the 1st round and doesn't just need some tweaks and role player adjustments to be a legit contender. Having fewer picks to trade makes that more challenging but it's not the problem per se, and having those picks back wouldn't fix it either.

_jin wrote:They have draft picks but they'll probably lose them in 2 years considering their horrible cap situation so they'll be worth a 2nd round pick. And that's not even the worst quote from that article. He thinks they're in a great position. The delusion is off the charts.

"Let's be real -- ask the other 29 GMs [in the NBA], 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks as is," Ishbia said. "The house is not on fire. We're in a great position. It's not hard to fix. We have enough talent to win a championship."

DrModesty wrote:

Ambrose wrote:

_jin wrote:They have draft picks but they'll probably lose them in 2 years considering their horrible cap situation so they'll be worth a 2nd round pick. And that's not even the worst quote from that article. He thinks they're in a great position. The delusion is off the charts.

I'm not sure 15 teams would trade situations. Let alone 26.

I'm not sure 5 would.

Bornstellar wrote:

_jin wrote:They have draft picks but they'll probably lose them in 2 years considering their horrible cap situation so they'll be worth a 2nd round pick. And that's not even the worst quote from that article. He thinks they're in a great position. The delusion is off the charts.

"Let's be real -- ask the other 29 GMs [in the NBA], 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks as is," Ishbia said. "The house is not on fire. We're in a great position. It's not hard to fix. We have enough talent to win a championship."

This dude is out of his mind it's also funny that he thinks draft picks are his only problem and not the worst contract in the NBA being on his roster

I don't think many teams would trade their whole team for the Suns and their draft picks. Maybe Detroit and Washington? That's basically it

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

HotelVitale wrote:

TwitterFingers wrote:I think he’s making the point that fans overrate the value of draft picks, to which he’s right

He's also correctly pointing out that Stepien rule means they do have picks a majority of the next 6 years.

I don't want to defend him cuz douche, but realgm in general does exaggerate the consequences of aggressive moves. There's so much 'they're screwing their future!' talk every time a team makes a star trade or at least when it start to go a little badly. Feels like it's not enough to accurately lay out the risks of trades involving 2-3 picks and like people have to embellish and seem to want teams to suffer badly for making those moves. Ishbia to some extent is responding to that kind of talk and just saying 'trading picks for 3 of the next 7 years means we still have 4 picks, it's not the end of the world.'

Also it's not like the Suns would auction everything off and rebuild right away if they did own all their picks. That inability to tear down is not the hard part of their current situation, it's that the big 3 they put together couldn't get out of the 1st round and doesn't just need some tweaks and role player adjustments to be a legit contender. Having fewer picks to trade makes that more challenging but it's not the problem per se, and having those picks back wouldn't fix it either.

Except that they swapped their swaps over and over and over again so those swapped picks are now guaranteed to be late firsts.

They created a new way to screw themselves.

I love that people are frustrated that we didn't win an NBA championship, because, guess what? So are we," he said. "... I'm happy where we're at, from that perspective, that people are disappointed, because, guess what, there's not someone in the organization that's more disappointed than me, my GM, my CEO, my players, my coach. Everyone's disappointed, just like the fans. Guess what? I'm going to own the team for 50 years, and probably 45, 46, 47 of those years, we'll probably have the same conversation -- like, hey, we didn't win the championship, and we're going to be disappointed then, too. That's how it's going to be, and I love it."

Ambrose wrote:

_jin wrote:They have draft picks but they'll probably lose them in 2 years considering their horrible cap situation so they'll be worth a 2nd round pick. And that's not even the worst quote from that article. He thinks they're in a great position. The delusion is off the charts.

"Let's be real -- ask the other 29 GMs [in the NBA], 26 of them would trade their whole team for our whole team and our draft picks as is," Ishbia said. "The house is not on fire. We're in a great position. It's not hard to fix. We have enough talent to win a championship."

I'm not sure 15 teams would trade situations. Let alone 26.

HotelVitale wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

HotelVitale wrote:
He's also correctly pointing out that Stepien rule means they do have picks a majority of the next 6 years.

I don't want to defend him cuz douche, but realgm in general does exaggerate the consequences of aggressive moves. There's so much 'they're screwing their future!' talk every time a team makes a star trade or at least when it start to go a little badly. Feels like it's not enough to accurately lay out the risks of trades involving 2-3 picks and like people have to embellish and seem to want teams to suffer badly for making those moves. Ishbia to some extent is responding to that kind of talk and just saying 'trading picks for 3 of the next 7 years means we still have 4 picks, it's not the end of the world.'

Also it's not like the Suns would auction everything off and rebuild right away if they did own all their picks. That inability to tear down is not the hard part of their current situation, it's that the big 3 they put together couldn't get out of the 1st round and doesn't just need some tweaks and role player adjustments to be a legit contender. Having fewer picks to trade makes that more challenging but it's not the problem per se, and having those picks back wouldn't fix it either.

Except that they swapped their swaps over and over and over again so those swapped picks are now guaranteed to be late firsts.

They created a new way to screw themselves.

Thanks for being right on cue. They'll still have Booker/KD/Beal for the next 1st and swap, that was gonna be relatively late 1st no matter what. So that's irrelevant. Then there's 2028 and 2030 swaps, which are 4 years away from now so who knows what'll happen. Could be rough or could be nothing at all.

Either way Ishbia's right that the sky isn't falling even though this PO sucked, or at least that the fact that they owe swaps down the line isn't really the problem. They were always gonna keep trying to win/contend with these 3 guys for the next like 3 years no matter what, and only having 1sts every other year is a blow for trade purposes but not that dire. They're not like the Nets now who have no direction and are actually a bad NBA team, they're good but just not as good as they hoped. They'll keep running it back with some tweaks/variations and by the time that's over they'll only owe a couple more picks. And sure it'll maybe suck then but it's in the distant future and doens't change to much now.

jokeboy86 wrote:Whats worse about Ishbia is he’s an ex-player(played for Izzo at MSU) and is friends with plenty of ex-players(Mateen Cleaves, Isaiah Thomas) so you know he probably really feels like he knows basketball compared to some of the other owners. Those are the type of owners you really dont want to work for as a GM

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

HotelVitale wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Except that they swapped their swaps over and over and over again so those swapped picks are now guaranteed to be late firsts.

They created a new way to screw themselves.

Thanks for being right on cue. They'll still have Booker/KD/Beal for the next 1st and swap, that was gonna be relatively late 1st no matter what. So that's irrelevant. Then there's 2028 and 2030 swaps, which are 4 years away from now so who knows what'll happen. Could be rough or could be nothing at all.

Either way Ishbia's right that the sky isn't falling even though this PO sucked, or at least that the fact that they owe swaps down the line isn't really the problem. They were always gonna keep trying to win/contend with these 3 guys for the next like 3 years no matter what, and only having 1sts every other year is a blow for trade purposes but not that dire. They're not like the Nets now who have no direction and are actually a bad NBA team, they're good but just not as good as they hoped. They'll keep running it back with some tweaks/variations and by the time that's over they'll only owe a couple more picks. And sure it'll maybe suck then but it's in the distant future and doens't change to much now.

It's not at all clear the Suns will be good in 2026, Durant declined from a +7 BPM player to a +4 BPM without injury... Another injury and he may not be a top 50 guy in the league anymore.

dhsilv2 wrote:I can't listen to 25 minutes of this...but he's hardly dumb. He's doing the classic things are fine speech and trying to highlight where he sees strengths beyond what other see. And he did fine with that.

Sealab2024 wrote:If I'm James Jones I'm handing in my resignation as of today. There's no chance Jones has any autonomy to make decisions and that in fact, ishbia is the one making bad decisions that then go on James' resume. I'm not having some fan with billions ruin my post player career.