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Post#21 » by Mr Puddles » Fri May 10, 2024 12:00 am

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iLLmatic860 wrote:It's def a point guard problem...Nobody can deny that the Suns made the finals because of Cp3. So they need a leader and with an offensive minded coach like Bud, I think he'll be able to put them in better position by telling Suns to get a veteran Point guard


Chris Paul was 5th on the Suns' roster in terms of total minutes played when they made it to the Finals - below Jae Crowder and just slightly above Cam Payne.

In about half the games he did play during the Western Conference run, Paul was a shell of himself due to getting injured pretty much at the start of game 1 of the playoffs (he averaged 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers) .

Whenever in history has a team ever made it to the Finals because of the guy who was 5th on the team in minutes played?


LOL, cope harder bro. CP3 is definitely the biggest reason we made the finals. Jae Crowder? Seriously?


What do you mean by "Jae Crowder, seriously"? I mentioned him to point out he played more minutes than Chris Paul.

People commenting on posts they haven't read is peak RealGM :lol: :lol:

As much as "LOL, cope harder bro" is a great argument, let's see if you can actually address any of the points made. Feel free to explain how a player who :

  • was 5th on the team in total minutes played in the WC playoffs.
  • in almost half the games he did play, he produced at roughly 50% of his normal production: 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers due to playing injured.
  • when he returned in the WCF, the Suns already had a 2-0 lead.

is the reason the team made it to the finals.
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Post#22 » by canada_dry » Fri May 10, 2024 12:06 am

A mike dantoni reunion would have been fun.

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Post#23 » by canada_dry » Fri May 10, 2024 12:10 am

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Chris Paul was 5th on the Suns' roster in terms of total minutes played when they made it to the Finals - below Jae Crowder and just slightly above Cam Payne.

In about half the games he did play during the Western Conference run, Paul was a shell of himself due to getting injured pretty much at the start of game 1 of the playoffs (he averaged 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers) .

Whenever in history has a team ever made it to the Finals because of the guy who was 5th on the team in minutes played?


LOL, cope harder bro. CP3 is definitely the biggest reason we made the finals. Jae Crowder? Seriously?


What do you mean by "Jae Crowder, seriously"? I mentioned him to point out he played more minutes than Chris Paul.

People commenting on posts they haven't read is peak RealGM

Again, explain how is a guy who was 5th on the team in terms of total minutes played the reason the team made it to the finals?
Yea i always think its crazy that a guy who didn't play well in quite a few of the games in the western conference playoffs due to injury and the suns won multiple playoff games without him, yet he was the reason they made the finals somehow.

They want to give him all the credit for making the finals but no blame for losing it by playing a lot worse the final 4 games of the series after being up 2-0, and of course all the turnovers for a normally turnover averse pg, whos claim to fame is that assist to turnover ratio. One of those turnovers literally costing a game. Cant have it both ways.

Booker really carried that team in the playoffs. Especially in games cp3 missed or wasnt right in.

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Post#24 » by theFireBlanket » Fri May 10, 2024 12:12 am

Bud is a miracle worker. Gets the best out of players.

Whats interesting... is that the Bucks & Suns nearly swapped head coaches from the 21 Finals. If not for Monty being disinterested in interviewing for the position last year.
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Post#25 » by ___Rand___ » Fri May 10, 2024 12:14 am

What is with all the news today!
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Post#26 » by picc » Fri May 10, 2024 1:35 am

Of course he's taking the job. Who in their right mind would want to coach the Lakers, especially if they haven't already won? Whatever goes wrong will be your fault.
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Post#27 » by tsherkin » Fri May 10, 2024 1:40 am

Coaching will do only so much.
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Post#28 » by mademan » Fri May 10, 2024 1:41 am

picc wrote:Of course he's taking the job. Who in their right mind would want to coach the Lakers if they haven't already won? Whatever goes wrong will be your fault.


Bud has won
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Post#29 » by picc » Fri May 10, 2024 1:41 am

mademan wrote:
picc wrote:Of course he's taking the job. Who in their right mind would want to coach the Lakers if they haven't already won? Whatever goes wrong will be your fault.


Bud has won


Yep. Should have said "especially" if they haven't already won.
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Post#30 » by EmpireFalls » Fri May 10, 2024 1:43 am

picc wrote:Of course he's taking the job. Who in their right mind would want to coach the Lakers, especially if they haven't already won? Whatever goes wrong will be your fault.

Well, given that the Lakers just fired Bud’s former lead assistant, it also might not be the best basketball fit either.
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Post#31 » by Calvin Klein » Fri May 10, 2024 1:44 am

Poor bud. But I guess you take the easy money and deal with the bs for a year or so.
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Post#32 » by Wingy » Fri May 10, 2024 1:50 am

zeebneeb wrote:Bud would be crazy to take that job.

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This is the correct answer.

Bud, don’t do it. Just say no, dogg.
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Post#33 » by SunsLyf3 » Fri May 10, 2024 1:51 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
uncleduck13 wrote:They gone quickly realize that it was never a coaching problem

It's def a point guard problem...Nobody can deny that the Suns made the finals because of Cp3. So they need a leader and with an offensive minded coach like Bud, I think he'll be able to put them in better position by telling Suns to get a veteran Point guard


Chris Paul was 5th on the Suns' roster in terms of total minutes played when they made it to the Finals - below Jae Crowder and just slightly above Cam Payne.

In about half the games he did play during the Western Conference run, Paul was a shell of himself due to getting injured pretty much at the start of game 1 of the playoffs (he averaged 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers) .

Whenever in history has a team ever made it to the Finals because of the guy who was 5th on the team in minutes played?

2021 Suns. His impact was beyond the statsheet.
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Post#34 » by Calvin Klein » Fri May 10, 2024 1:52 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Biff wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Chris Paul was 5th on the Suns' roster in terms of total minutes played when they made it to the Finals - below Jae Crowder and just slightly above Cam Payne.

In about half the games he did play during the Western Conference run, Paul was a shell of himself due to getting injured pretty much at the start of game 1 of the playoffs (he averaged 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers) .

Whenever in history has a team ever made it to the Finals because of the guy who was 5th on the team in minutes played?


LOL, cope harder bro. CP3 is definitely the biggest reason we made the finals. Jae Crowder? Seriously?


What do you mean by "Jae Crowder, seriously"? I mentioned him to point out he played more minutes than Chris Paul.

People commenting on posts they haven't read is peak RealGM :lol: :lol:

As much as "LOL, cope harder bro" is a great argument, let's see if you can actually address any of the points made. Feel free to explain how a player who :

  • was 5th on the team in total minutes played in the WC playoffs.
  • in almost half the games he did play, he produced at roughly 50% of his normal production: 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers due to playing injured.
  • when he returned in the WCF, the Suns already had a 2-0 lead.

is the reason the team made it to the finals.

You are trying way to hard to discredit him for some reason.

Cp was injured against the Lakers. He averaged 25/10 against Denver, 24/9 against the clippers and 22/8 against the bucks.

His Denver series was incredible. He was toying with them. And then humiliated the clippers in the closing game. He didn’t have a great finals though and looked injured again. Still put up 22/8 though. You are just choosing some very arbitrary stats to make a very weird point.
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Post#35 » by jkvonny » Fri May 10, 2024 1:59 am

Solid hire if they can get him!

But they better not screw this one up, either/too.

Bud also likes coaching vets. Suns are an older team.
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Post#36 » by Mr Puddles » Fri May 10, 2024 2:20 am

SunsLyf3 wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:It's def a point guard problem...Nobody can deny that the Suns made the finals because of Cp3. So they need a leader and with an offensive minded coach like Bud, I think he'll be able to put them in better position by telling Suns to get a veteran Point guard


Chris Paul was 5th on the Suns' roster in terms of total minutes played when they made it to the Finals - below Jae Crowder and just slightly above Cam Payne.

In about half the games he did play during the Western Conference run, Paul was a shell of himself due to getting injured pretty much at the start of game 1 of the playoffs (he averaged 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers) .

Whenever in history has a team ever made it to the Finals because of the guy who was 5th on the team in minutes played?

2021 Suns. His impact was beyond the statsheet.


Nobody is arguing that.

But arguing that Suns made it to the finals because a guy was providing veteran leadership from the sideline, while the guys actually on the court were winning the games, is taking it a bit too far.
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Post#37 » by Mr Puddles » Fri May 10, 2024 2:26 am

Calvin Klein wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Biff wrote:
LOL, cope harder bro. CP3 is definitely the biggest reason we made the finals. Jae Crowder? Seriously?


What do you mean by "Jae Crowder, seriously"? I mentioned him to point out he played more minutes than Chris Paul.

People commenting on posts they haven't read is peak RealGM :lol: :lol:

As much as "LOL, cope harder bro" is a great argument, let's see if you can actually address any of the points made. Feel free to explain how a player who :

  • was 5th on the team in total minutes played in the WC playoffs.
  • in almost half the games he did play, he produced at roughly 50% of his normal production: 9 points on 38% fg and 20% 3pg in round one against the Lakers due to playing injured.
  • when he returned in the WCF, the Suns already had a 2-0 lead.

is the reason the team made it to the finals.

You are trying way to hard to discredit him for some reason.

Cp was injured against the Lakers. He averaged 25/10 against Denver, 24/9 against the clippers and 22/8 against the bucks.

His Denver series was incredible. He was toying with them. And then humiliated the clippers in the closing game. He didn’t have a great finals though and looked injured again. Still put up 22/8 though. You are just choosing some very arbitrary stats to make a very weird point.


Who is discrediting him?

I said that CP3's leadership shouldn't be understated and pointed out that CP3 was incredible against the Nuggets.

What I have issue with is the argument that CP3 was the key reason the Suns made it to the finals, and I've argued why.

Pointing out a player was missing or severly injured for half of the Western Conference playoff run is an arbitrary stat now???

Honeslty, way too often here people just read whatever they want to read and then respond to it.

The statement by OP was that CP3 is the reason that the Suns made it to the Finals.

I responded by pointing out that CP3 was barely 5th in minutes during their western conference run, and that in the minutes he did play - the first 6 games he was severely injured.

You now (among others), point out that
  • that CP3 was injured against the Lakers (which supports what I was saying)
  • that CP3 played well in his 4 games against Clippers ( I already pointed out the Suns went up 2-0 without him)
  • that CP3 put up good stats against the Bucks (which is obviously completely irrelevant)

And use that as arguments to say that I'm apparently discrediting CP3 because I don't agree that a guy barely cracking the top 5 in total minutes played was the main reason the Suns made it to the Finals?
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Post#38 » by CIN-C-STAR » Fri May 10, 2024 3:00 am

Won't make them contenders without some other roster moves imo, but can't wait to see KD in the Gianmis role!
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Post#39 » by KGDirkTD_Fan » Fri May 10, 2024 3:02 am

The coaching turnover for some of these teams is pretty crazy as of recent. Can Bud get to his 2nd season in if the 1st is unsuccessful?
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Post#40 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri May 10, 2024 3:05 am

Wingy wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:Bud would be crazy to take that job.

kobayashi maru.


This is the correct answer.

Bud, don’t do it. Just say no, dogg.

Personally, I would have waited a bit and see if Boston scrape goats Joe M or Pop starts having health issues, but some of the good jobs have dried up (like Kidd getting extended).
....But Guy's legacy is fine. He is one of 36 NBA coaches with a ring, He's top 40 in wins at 60% win percentage. Only 7 guys ahead of him on the wins list as a better win percentage. PHX has a pretty high floor the next 2 years where he will easily add 90 wins to his total in 2 years. He has a punchers chase at another ring if he can work some magic....and yeah he will probably get something like 5 /$75m to coach in his home state. I don't think it is crazy at all.

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