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Clemenza wrote:They're pick swaps but we do have our 1st rounders in '25,' 27, and '29. We would have to fall off a cliff and turn into a lottery team for OKC to truly benefit off those picks.
UglyBugBall wrote:How are they 'stuck'? They can easily flip PG, Harden and Kawhi for a ton of assets and rebuild with an insane war chest.
symbiotic wrote:I hope the Knicks don't ever do anything this stupid again.
Mister Ze wrote:It’s crazy that Kawhi and his camp wanted PG acquired instead of just keeping SGA whose better than both this season.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:How are they 'stuck'? They can easily flip PG, Harden and Kawhi for a ton of assets and rebuild with an insane war chest.
Kawhi has no value and PG and Harden are free agents.
NZB2323 wrote:If Kawhi is healthy they could do better.
NZB2323 wrote:If Kawhi is healthy they could do better.
Also, I was listening to a Ted Talk, and it said an NBA team with 2 stars is statistically more likely to succeed than a NBA team with 4 stars and talked about how important Shane Battier was to the Miami Heat.
Most NBA champions have been 2 stars and role players.
UglyBugBall wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:How are they 'stuck'? They can easily flip PG, Harden and Kawhi for a ton of assets and rebuild with an insane war chest.
Kawhi has no value and PG and Harden are free agents.
PG and harden will resign.
Capn'O wrote:NZB2323 wrote:If Kawhi is healthy they could do better.
Also, I was listening to a Ted Talk, and it said an NBA team with 2 stars is statistically more likely to succeed than a NBA team with 4 stars and talked about how important Shane Battier was to the Miami Heat.
Most NBA champions have been 2 stars and role players.
That really checks with what I've seen. When you go over 2, fit is REALLY important. There's only so much more offensive power you can have with another hub vs a guy who can knock down 3s and the difference on defense can be massive.
Spurs, Celtics, Warriors had defensive anchors as one of the stars and the Heatles only really started dominating when Bosh agreed to be a super role player.
og15 wrote:Capn'O wrote:NZB2323 wrote:If Kawhi is healthy they could do better.
Also, I was listening to a Ted Talk, and it said an NBA team with 2 stars is statistically more likely to succeed than a NBA team with 4 stars and talked about how important Shane Battier was to the Miami Heat.
Most NBA champions have been 2 stars and role players.
That really checks with what I've seen. When you go over 2, fit is REALLY important. There's only so much more offensive power you can have with another hub vs a guy who can knock down 3s and the difference on defense can be massive.
Spurs, Celtics, Warriors had defensive anchors as one of the stars and the Heatles only really started dominating when Bosh agreed to be a super role player.
I also think that when teams start pairing 3+ stars, there's usually a reason they are about to, eg: age, injury.
If they are pairing healthy guys in their prime, eg: Celtics, Heat, Pistons, it works much better.
But yes, fit! We all know about diminishing returns. Teams have roles, if the star you add can't adjust to a different role, eg: become a lock down defender, go from scorer to being a primary playmaker, etc, it won't work.
Look at the Suns who got two SG's, but neither can be your primary perimeter defender and neither can play that PG/primary playmaker role, so it doesn't make sense anymore.
Clippers fit with Harden/George/Kawhi is actually quite good, Kawhi and George needed someone to be the primary playmaker. George and Harden needed someone to take the primary scoring role and give them easier matchups and less defensive pressure. But with Kawhi as the best player, everything hinged on him. You take KG off the Celtics and they aren't a contender. You take LeBron off Miami and they aren't a contender. The best player of the group has to be healthy unless it's not going to achieve the ultimate results.
Capn'O wrote:symbiotic wrote:I hope the Knicks don't ever do anything this stupid again.
Right? We were way out front on this trend. Know your history!
KL2 wrote:Mister Ze wrote:It’s crazy that Kawhi and his camp wanted PG acquired instead of just keeping SGA whose better than both this season.
It was Durant and then Butler before settling for PG.
20 other teams would have made the same move back then. But now and nothing to show for it? It’s easy to say it was really dumb.
Leonard, unfortunately, seems to share the same view as the organization about young talent. They don’t want to wait for development. They want the known product.
Not entirely sure how they fix the roster but I know what my first move would be. Fire Lawrence Frank and give a blank check to Bob Meyers. It’s the type of splashy move Ballmer would love going into the new arena.
