Nikola Jokic Supernova

[HotRocks34]

This was IMO like Hakeem destroying Robinson in 1995. That level.

Total destruction.

[Gatorade Sax]

Why does Jokić, despite playing in the most competitive era ever, have better stats than every player in history? Explain it to me.

He's not as influential/popular as the LeBrons and MJs of the world, but he has one thing going for him: he's better at basketball.

Better than Lebron? Sure. MJ? Hell no. Guys just have bad memories. MJ was a str8 killer. 6/6 6Finals MVPs two 3 peats and retired because it was too easy already for him lol. Everyone is just wanting soooo badly to put someone above MJ it’s a joke. Desperately tried with Lebron and his atrocious Finals record and choke Job in 2011. 2 of his rings came off miracle 3 from Ray Allen off a Lebron BRICKED rebound, and another title came cuz Kyrie made the game winner. Lebron will never be in the same air as MJ. All he has is longevity and stat pad of a career. And with Jokic, it’s FAR too early to put him up there either with that 1 ring

I have it the same way. Not sure he'll quite catch Jordan, and I don't necessarily think he'll catch Kareem simply because 6 MVPs and 6 titles is a crazy total (along with leading the league in PER a record number of times), but IF he continues like this (a big IF) he's in the top 3 with an argument for goat.

He's ahead of Lebron into terms of advanced metrics when he compare peak to peak, so if the argument for lebron is totla accolades (I.e. the Lebron Stan here saying Lebron "did it for longer) then Lebron loses that argument to Kareem, using the same logic. Advanced stats go out the window and Kareem's 6 titles and 6 MVPs put him ahead of Lebron.

I think it had to be a combination of everything, and Jokic is filling out his resume with MVPs, titles, FMVPs, as well as continue to dominate statistically in a way never seen before.

Dude is a fabricated media campaign away from going for his 5th straight mvp next year. Nobody should ever forget that when discussing his mvp total.

[Ol Roy]

Bird's passing + McHale's finishing = Jokic

[TheFire]

To me, he’s CP3 + Dirk + McHale at 300 lbs.

[AleksandarN]

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[Chuck Everett]

People can have the GOAT debate all they want, it's opinion, but is there anyone willing to make the argument that he isn't the greatest offensive player of all time? Like, has anyone seen a better player with the ball in their hands? Because I haven't...

He's literally Hakeem and Steve Nash fused on offense, but with the Size of Shaq. Tonight all of that was on full display, and it was worthy of all the superlatives we're giving him.

Of all-time? No, I'm not willing to make that claim. Put together a three-peat and I'm willing to have that conversation.

[QPR]

Any basketball fan should feel privileged to be alive at the same time as this guy.

[CodeBreaker]

He's Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki's son

[AleksandarN]

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[Lakers824]

Better than Lebron? Sure. MJ? Hell no. Guys just have bad memories. MJ was a str8 killer. 6/6 6Finals MVPs two 3 peats and retired because it was too easy already for him lol. Everyone is just wanting soooo badly to put someone above MJ it’s a joke. Desperately tried with Lebron and his atrocious Finals record and choke Job in 2011. 2 of his rings came off miracle 3 from Ray Allen off a Lebron BRICKED rebound, and another title came cuz Kyrie made the game winner. Lebron will never be in the same air as MJ. All he has is longevity and stat pad of a career. And with Jokic, it’s FAR too early to put him up there either with that 1 ring

I have it the same way. Not sure he'll quite catch Jordan, and I don't necessarily think he'll catch Kareem simply because 6 MVPs and 6 titles is a crazy total (along with leading the league in PER a record number of times), but IF he continues like this (a big IF) he's in the top 3 with an argument for goat.

He's ahead of Lebron into terms of advanced metrics when he compare peak to peak, so if the argument for lebron is totla accolades (I.e. the Lebron Stan here saying Lebron "did it for longer) then Lebron loses that argument to Kareem, using the same logic. Advanced stats go out the window and Kareem's 6 titles and 6 MVPs put him ahead of Lebron.

I think it had to be a combination of everything, and Jokic is filling out his resume with MVPs, titles, FMVPs, as well as continue to dominate statistically in a way never seen before.

Dude is a fabricated media campaign away from going for his 5th straight mvp next year. Nobody should ever forget that when discussing his mvp total.

He should have four, for sure. And I do think that people keep that sort of thing in mind.

[Lakers824]

People can have the GOAT debate all they want, it's opinion, but is there anyone willing to make the argument that he isn't the greatest offensive player of all time? Like, has anyone seen a better player with the ball in their hands? Because I haven't...

He's literally Hakeem and Steve Nash fused on offense, but with the Size of Shaq. Tonight all of that was on full display, and it was worthy of all the superlatives we're giving him.

Of all-time? No, I'm not willing to make that claim. Put together a three-peat and I'm willing to have that conversation.

But now we are talking about team success. If a 3 peat is the standard to be considered the greatest offensive player (not sure why it would be), then only Jordan and Shaq would be in the discussion given that they're the only two players to lead their teams to three peats in the post merger era. And it's obviously very hard to make the argument that Shaq was better offensively than Jokic.

[Chuck Everett]

People can have the GOAT debate all they want, it's opinion, but is there anyone willing to make the argument that he isn't the greatest offensive player of all time? Like, has anyone seen a better player with the ball in their hands? Because I haven't...

He's literally Hakeem and Steve Nash fused on offense, but with the Size of Shaq. Tonight all of that was on full display, and it was worthy of all the superlatives we're giving him.

Of all-time? No, I'm not willing to make that claim. Put together a three-peat and I'm willing to have that conversation.

But now we are talking about team success. If a 3 peat is the standard to be considered the greatest offensive player (not sure why it would be), then only Jordan and Shaq would be in the discussion given that they're the only two players to lead their teams to three peats in the post merger era. And it's obviously very hard to make the argument that Shaq was better offensively than Jokic.

Nope. You're not going to use regular season success to make these outlandish claims. You want those accolades, then you must lead and win the titles doing it.

The stats Jokic puts up in the regular season pale in comparison to what he's doing in the playoffs. When you're putting him up against the best who ever did it, one Finals appearance and a title is simply not enough.

If those guys didn't win, we wouldn't rate them at all. Jokic's brilliance matters as it pertains to winning. Not just pretty box scores.

ETA: This isn't even about rings culture. This is about putting Joker in the pantheon with the best to ever lace 'em up. Well, if you're doing that but he isn't dominating the competition, then I would have to question why did those guys have to win a lot, while he doesn't? Even he says the most important thing is winning and that his stats don't matter and yet, you still have people fighting it.

At this point, Jokic is judged by wins and wins alone. Like tonight. He dominated in a W.

[manou]

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made the dpoy look foolish

When you look at that clip, I mean, Gobert could not have defended better, it's not on him, it's just Jokic doing a masterpiece.

And when I say that, I mean it's even better than the stats and all, Jokic dominated with massive defense in front of him.

It's a beauty...

[dygaction]

To me, he’s CP3 + Dirk + McHale at 300 lbs.

Luka pro max with offball and all needed intangibles

[Tony Parker]

He is unfathomable. Even a superconsistent player will underperform relative to expactation and he was good but not great at the start of this series. That happens to everybody and says nothing about their quality if we talk about isolated instances.
He came back and showed everybody why he is tthe clear top dog in this league.

Should mention, to be fair that Edwards had a very strong series and his bad game also does not say much about him, as I've allready seen some people flipping on him. He is young and very good allready, has proven enough for his age to make you believe fully in his future, but the Joker just might be too big of an adversary for him right now. All players in the modern era had to fail before they made it to the mountain top. He still got a good shot in the future.

[naabzor]

All of this against who is supposed to be the DPOY.

[Johnny Bball]

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made the dpoy look foolish

When you look at that clip, I mean, Gobert could not have defended better, it's not on him, it's just Jokic doing a masterpiece.

And when I say that, I mean it's even better than the stats and all, Jokic dominated with massive defense in front of him.

It's a beauty...

I don't think this is accurate and think he could have defended a hellovalot better. He's not the DPOY imo, if I had a vote.

[Nuntius]

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made the dpoy look foolish

Can't even blame Gobert for any of these. His defense was rock solid. Jokic is just ridiculous. No one was stopping him.

[Exp0sed]

This was IMO like Hakeem destroying Robinson in 1995. That level.

Total destruction.

I agree, it was the closest i've seen to that and narratives aren't all that differenet with the MV3 going directly at the 4 time DPOY in the biggest game of the season. phenomenal stuff, i'm a Euro and this game was on at an extremely late and uncomfortable hour for me, could have easily just watched it later on demand at my leisure but really wanted to watch it live, because I know what this man can bring and tonight he delievered an all-around performance for the ages, simply phemonemal

[dhsilv2]

I agree, but people calling him the GOAT is just laughable.

Why does Jokić, despite playing in the most competitive era ever, have better stats than every player in history? Explain it to me.

He's not as influential/popular as the LeBrons and MJs of the world, but he has one thing going for him: he's better at basketball.

Better than Lebron? Sure. MJ? Hell no. Guys just have bad memories. MJ was a str8 killer. 6/6 6Finals MVPs two 3 peats and retired because it was too easy already for him lol. Everyone is just wanting soooo badly to put someone above MJ it’s a joke. Desperately tried with Lebron and his atrocious Finals record and choke Job in 2011. 2 of his rings came off miracle 3 from Ray Allen off a Lebron BRICKED rebound, and another title came cuz Kyrie made the game winner. Lebron will never be in the same air as MJ. All he has is longevity and stat pad of a career. And with Jokic, it’s FAR too early to put him up there either with that 1 ring

you claiming someone who says "str8" and caps "BRICKED" and types "cuz" is old enough to have seen Jordan play? No possible way!