Do you now think Hedo Turkoglu should be an all star?

djtruebeliever · Post #41 » by **djtruebeliever** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:28 am

I seriously doubt the all-star game will ever really be competitive again unless they put something at stake like, winner gets homecourt advantage in the finals, or something like that.

JeremyB0001 · Post #42 » by **JeremyB0001** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:33 am

Just because you average 19 PPG on a contending team with some "clutch" performances doesn't mean you're having an All-Star caliber season. Jamison, Butler, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Jefferson, and Iggy are all substantially more deserving. Several of them won't make it so I don't see how Turk deserves any serious consideration.

GJense4181 · Post #43 » by **GJense4181** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:34 am

ToffBosh wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Man there's so much wrong with your post I don't know where to begin, and I don't feel like writing too much. So I'll simply say that despite all the marquee players the past 2/3 years, the allstar game hasn't been competitive nor has it been fun to watch. If that's your cup of tea then sure, so be it.

No. There is not. That is a copout post.
It hasn't been competitive? The East (JV conference, remember?) won by TWO (close, competitive game) in 2006, ten in 2005, lost by FOUR in 04, and lost by ten in 2003. None of those have been *blowouts* considering the scores are typically 120+ for both teams.
It hasn't been fun to watch for you? Then so be it.

wolves_fan_82au · Post #44 » by **wolves_fan_82au** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:48 am

theres a lot of good talent that are gonna miss out look at the numbers al jefferson has been putting up 20-12 yet he isnt even considered at all

Turkologu is a great player and im sure hes time will come

Post #45 » by **SOUL** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:07 am

JeremyB0001 wrote:Just because you average 19 PPG on a contending team with some "clutch" performances doesn't mean you're having an All-Star caliber season. Jamison, Butler, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Jefferson, and Iggy are all substantially more deserving. Several of them won't make it so I don't see how Turk deserves any serious consideration.

Jamison.. fine, Butler of course, Josh Smith - eh, G-Wallace.. same, playing good but on losing team. Nets suck, Jefferson avges about the same as Hedo.. and Iggy hasnt really done much this year.

So if its not because he is avging 19 points and being clutch (and adding rebs/assists) what does he have to do? Be on a losing team? Since the rest of them (sans Wizards) is what you are saying..

Cammo101 · Post #46 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:59 am

JeremyB0001 wrote:Just because you average 19 PPG on a contending team with some "clutch" performances doesn't mean you're having an All-Star caliber season. Jamison, Butler, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, Jefferson, and Iggy are all substantially more deserving. Several of them won't make it so I don't see how Turk deserves any serious consideration.

Why are they more deserving? Hedo is averaging 19,5,4 on a contending team. He is also the go to player down the stretch. Just because he does not put up bigger hollow stats on average to bad teams doesn't somehow make him less deserving. Hedo puts up those numbers on a good team where he can't dominate the ball. Guys like Wallace, Jefferson, or Iggy have no more right to an all star appearance, IMO they have less of one because they lack Hedo's all around game and their teams stink. Anyone can put up big numbers on bad teams.

Ballings7 · Post #47 » by **Ballings7** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:08 am

Yes. I thought so before the game yesterday, too.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #48 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:08 am

This shouldn't even be debated. Hedo deserves to be on the allstar team. He is putting up nearly 20/6/4 a game on the 3rd best team in the east. Some of the players mentioned wouldn't put up jack on a good team and they certainly wouldn't be the go to players down the stretch like Hedo has been for the Magic. That is just a fact. I'm sure the coaches will make the right choice.

CourtsideTV · Post #49 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:02 am

the funny thing is hedo was suppose to be like the 3rd option after dwight and shard..but it is hedo then shard then dwight.

Typhoon20 · Post #50 » by **Typhoon20** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:07 am

CourtsideTV wrote:the funny thing is hedo was suppose to be like the 3rd option after dwight and shard..but it is hedo then shard then dwight.

To be honest, it's: Dwight then Hedo then Shard.

Though I can see your point.

Cammo101 · Post #51 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:43 pm

Idunkonyou2 wrote:This shouldn't even be debated. Hedo deserves to be on the allstar team. He is putting up nearly 20/6/4 a game on the 3rd best team in the east. Some of the players mentioned wouldn't put up jack on a good team and they certainly wouldn't be the go to players down the stretch like Hedo has been for the Magic. That is just a fact. I'm sure the coaches will make the right choice.

Seconded. Has Jamison ever even been on a good team? He's only in like his 12th year right?

tranjSAIC · Post #52 » by **tranjSAIC** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:42 pm

GJense4181 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Turkoglu has not outplayed Vince Carter

Are you kidding me? Just looking at the numbers you would say Vince is out playing him, but are you actually watching the games? Ask what NJ fans think of the way Vince is playing now. He is acting all scared of attacking the lane, all the guy wants to do right now is shoot jumpers.

I rather have Hedo make the team over a player like Carter who is obviously more talented but is slacking.

tranjSAIC · Post #53 » by **tranjSAIC** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:45 pm

Remember the year the Pistons had 4 allstars? Well I could see it happening with Orlando, A player who makes the team because of a good record vs a player on a bad team.

giordunk · Post #54 » by **giordunk** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:10 pm

Probably as the 2nd injury reserve. You can't get him in the game just cause he nailed a 3 against the best team.

theTHIEF · Post #55 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:25 pm

giordunk wrote:Probably as the 2nd injury reserve. You can't get him in the game just cause he nailed a 3 against the best team.

im not trying to make a case for him, im just stating this because it hasnt been mentioned yet...that buzzer beater yesterday to win the game, was his 14th game winner on the season...

humblebum · Post #56 » by **humblebum** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 pm

thEthIEf wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

im not trying to make a case for him, im just stating this because it hasnt been mentioned yet...that buzzer beater yesterday to win the game, was his 14th game winner on the season...

WOW, really his 14th? Thats absolutely crazy if true.

As a Celtic fan I can honestly say that Hedo is definitely deserving of an All Star appearance. He's playing phenomenally right now and he's super talented. If he doesn't make it it's no great injustice however because it usually takes guys a couple years (once they reach All Star level play) to actually get voted on.

I've said it before but he's one of the most underrated players in the NBA. I like his game A LOT and he's one of the guys who can truly compete with Pierce at the 3 spot... there aren't many of those type guys around.

Idunkonyou2 · Post #57 » by **Idunkonyou2** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:17 pm

Hedo's nickname should be "The Big Dagger" because he stabs other team's heart's all the time.

CourtsideTV · Post #58 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:23 pm

I think some call him the turkish asasin lol.

JCav06 · Post #59 » by **JCav06** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:46 pm

"Seconded. Has Jamison ever even been on a good team? He's only in like his 12th year right?"

He's been on the Wizards who for the past three years have been in the playoffs.

MoGrAdY · Post #60 » by **MoGrAdY** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:53 pm

legacyinthemakin89c wrote:No. the forwards going to the game are going in this order:

Bosh (Wish he could go as a center though)
Butler
Jamison
Pierce
Crash
Then its a toss up between Josh Smith, Richard Jefferson and Turkoglu

My thing with this however is Crash hasnt helped his team to a great record. Richard Jefferson isnt helping the Nets do anything but lose. Josh Smith isnt even the best player on his team that still has a losing record. And there was something on the Magic board saying a guy like Bosh can be voted in as a C now. See the thing with hedo is hes 20/6/4 on a team 10 games over .500. Sitting on top of our division. Only 4 games behind the Pistons. We beat Boston twice now. Butler is a shoe in, or he should be. And Jamison should def be considered.