Jokic's efficiency drop

scrabbarista · Post #81 » by **scrabbarista** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:06 am

AleksandarN wrote:I mean…

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69% was good, but 80% is also good.

Pelly24 · Post #82 » by **Pelly24** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:37 am

I think most threads are worth creating just for the sake of discussion, but this was always overblown.

He was at 61 TS%, which is +3 TS%, which is very good still, especially when you're in his role averaging a 26-point triple double. But also, it was clearly cyclical. It was still the beginning of the season. Jokic is at 64.7 TS% now, which is absolutely stellar, and it will probably only go up even more. But yeah. Moral of the story is, 20 or so game sample sizes are far from being definitive. His efficiency was always going to go up. And a lot of these people who started out super hot are going to come back down to earth. It happens every year.

Ssj16 · Post #83 » by **Ssj16** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:01 pm

AleksandarN wrote:I mean…

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Efficiency drop confirmed.

Cubbies2120 · Post #84 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:15 pm

Godymas wrote:Anyone else notice that Jokic has not been nearly as efficient this season as he has been for the last 3 years?

Last season Jokic was 70% TS, 63% FG and scored 24 ppg on 15 fga (what)

This season Jokic is 9% down in TS at 61% and 10% down in FG at 53%

he's also shooting a low 33% from 3

mind you this all comes with career high FGA attempt and usage which begs the question..is there a limit to Jokic's game? Is he incapable of being just as efficient on more shots?

When Giannis really burst out the shocking thing about him was how efficient he was in such few minutes and the thing was if he played more minutes his game scaled basically linearly with the time he was on the floor.

But with Jokic it feels like his game follows a logarithmic growth function where as he's given more and more focal point and opportunity to be the #1 guy he actually doesn't seem able to do more with it.

It kind of makes you wonder if this is a physical limitation of Jokic as a human being? He's never been the most conditioned athlete in the game, but he gets by off of the highest BBIQ. If Jokic's health takes a turn for the worse from injuries or wear and tear he might have a surprisingly rapid fall off as far as being a first option scorer for Denver.

Can you make this thread again before the playoffs? You seem to have disappeared, so quoting you

In the 12 games since OP made this post, Jokic has had an 80.39 TS%.

His legendary efficiency campaign season was 70 TS%, for reference.

_NoMas · Post #85 » by **_NoMas** » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:47 pm

Going to be great fun bumping this thread for the rest of the season :lol:

BigGargamel · Post #86 » by **BigGargamel** » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:51 pm

OP really predicted a rapid offensive fall off because he shot under 50% for a couple regular season games. RealGM at its finest.

mkot · Post #87 » by **mkot** » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:53 pm

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scrabbarista · Post #88 » by **scrabbarista** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:05 am

OP, I just want to say: you are wrong.

Jaqua92 · Post #89 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:17 am

People aren't ready to say it, but offensively, Jokic is better than a Curry ever was.

QPR · Post #90 » by **QPR** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:58 am

Jaqua92 wrote:People aren't ready to say it, but offensively, Jokic is better than a Curry ever was.

He's better than anyone ever was.

DCasey91 · Post #91 » by **DCasey91** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:14 am

QPR wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:People aren't ready to say it, but offensively, Jokic is better than a Curry ever was.

He's better than anyone ever was.

Wouldn’t say that. Lebron has had some alien years during his awfully long prime

Blazing_royale · Post #92 » by **Blazing_royale** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:29 am

Besides Bron, I can't think of anyone else in the league right now but Joker that's got the complete offense package.

Mrakar · Post #93 » by **Mrakar** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:35 am

DCasey91 wrote:
QPR wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:People aren't ready to say it, but offensively, Jokic is better than a Curry ever was.

He's better than anyone ever was.

Wouldn’t say that. Lebron has had some alien years during his awfully long prime

Lebron was great we all know that, but he never played such simple and easy as Joker is right now. Lebrons efficiency was great because of transition points(not only because of that, but that for sure pumped it up). He never played so easy in half-court.

Rishkar · Post #94 » by **Rishkar** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:37 am

DCasey91 wrote:
QPR wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:People aren't ready to say it, but offensively, Jokic is better than a Curry ever was.

He's better than anyone ever was.

Wouldn’t say that. Lebron has had some alien years during his awfully long prime

I think Magic, Nash, Oscar, and Jokic are the four candidates for best offensive player ever. I view Lebron more in that second tier, with Bird, Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, ect

DCasey91 · Post #95 » by **DCasey91** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:47 am

Rishkar wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
QPR wrote:
He's better than anyone ever was.

Wouldn’t say that. Lebron has had some alien years during his awfully long prime

I think Magic, Nash, Oscar, and Jokic are the four candidates for best offensive player ever. I view Lebron more in that second tier, with Bird, Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, ect

09, 12/13, 16, 18, 2020 very strong seasons (especially Post Season play).

He combines brutal finishing with ATG box creation for a playmaker, and he’s always been a streaky shooter but when on then ggs.

As late as Game 6 in the closeout against GSW last year was vintage stuff.

moderndarwin · Post #96 » by **moderndarwin** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:54 am

Joker is not a better offensive player than Steph or Shaq. He absolutely is not. He’s just lucky he doesn’t have true elite big men guarding him. It’s why Embiid outplays him
head to head. Jokers efficiency if he played against Shaq wouldn’t be very good. He’d get crushed.

Masigond · Post #97 » by **Masigond** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:04 am

moderndarwin wrote:Joker is not a better offensive player than Steph or Shaq. He absolutely is not. He’s just lucky he doesn’t have true elite big men guarding him. It’s why Embiid outplays him
head to head. Jokers efficiency if he played against Shaq wouldn’t be very good. He’d get crushed.

Shaq said that he hated to play against Bryant Reeves due to his shooting ability from mid-range. Now imagine Shaq having to guard Jokic who can shoot from even further out.

Embiid is a better perimeter defender than Shaq who was great protecting the rim (when committing to it) and such a big body in the post. But he had his troubles against the better shooting bigs who had some range. Prime David Robinson had a couple of good scoring games against him, and The Admiral was by no means the consistent shooter Jokic turned out to be.

Infinite Llamas · Post #98 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:07 am

Shaq is better at dunking than Jokic
Steph is better at 3’s and free throws than Jokic

Jokic is literally better at everything else. Perhaps this is a simplified way of viewing it but id love to hear what makes either of them a better offensive player. Hell, Jokic shoots better in the paint than Shaq without dunking.

Snake3 · Post #99 » by **Snake3** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:18 am

Infinite Llamas wrote:Shaq is better at dunking than Jokic
Steph is better at 3’s and free throws than Jokic

Jokic is literally better at everything else. Perhaps this is a simplified way of viewing it but id love to hear what makes either of them a better offensive player. Hell, Jokic shoots better in the paint than Shaq without dunking.

The league is different now, so we can't really compare that across eras. The spacing is so much better now, and ppl are much more efficient. They used to collapse on Shaq hard back then. Finishing at the rim has improved league-wide compared to back then.

Jokic does have a better touch than Shaq tho.

nomansland · Post #100 » by **nomansland** » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:41 am

Snake3 wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:Shaq is better at dunking than Jokic
Steph is better at 3’s and free throws than Jokic

Jokic is literally better at everything else. Perhaps this is a simplified way of viewing it but id love to hear what makes either of them a better offensive player. Hell, Jokic shoots better in the paint than Shaq without dunking.

The league is different now, so we can't really compare that across eras. The spacing is so much better now, and ppl are much more efficient. They used to collapse on Shaq hard back then. Finishing at the rim has improved league-wide compared to back then.

Jokic does have a better touch than Shaq tho.

If you collapse on Jokic, he will punish you with passes.