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basketballRob wrote:I think Orlando can take Boston to 7 games. They've beat them 4 out of the last 6 games.
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It's been the story of the entire series, tbh.drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
bmurph128 wrote:I do have some grapes with the disparity when there were numerous occasions that Mitchell and Garland got fouled without a call - they miss things on both sides, but man it feels like the Magic are playing way too physical to be called for less fouls and, couple that with how much the Cavs attacked, have that many more free throws.
Mad Guru wrote:Marvin Martian wrote:Mad Guru wrote:If Garland, Mobley, and Mitchell worked better together this wouldn't be a narrative.
How does a GM figure out that those three completely different players wouldn't be great together before putting them together?
The GM wouldn't figure that out. What he would know, is that Spida is in his prime and he wouldn't have the patience to figure it out with a bunch of kids.
He traded for Mitchell when he was 25, you don't get to have an interview where you sit down and figure out these guys' mentalities about how they will view the situation. You gotta strike and hope it works out IMO as a GM.
Wingy wrote:Funcrusher wrote:Man, who the hell is Mitchell supposed to pass too?
His team made the playoffs before he arrived. Garland made the all star team. That squad won only 4 fewer games than this year's team, and 7 fewer than last year’s team. Strus has experience starting in the Finals, so not like a star should be scared to kick it to him for an open shot.
Don’t act like Mitchell is some kind of Jordan or Lebron that saved this team from the 20 win doldrums.
You’d have people to pass to if you…you know, passed to people. Basically no one plays well when they never touch the ball.
drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
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jbk1234 wrote:Mitchell's knee seemed fine tonight.
shi-woo wrote:drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
You got some very disingenuous responses, the Cavs did not have a better game and lose because of a favorable whistle. Idk how anyone could watch that game and say CLE outplayed the MAgic.
Lowkey the Cavs played like trash most of the game, and just made 2 serious runs to not make that game a blowout. They went on a run in th first half when Paolo came out and fultz and Ingles played terrible for a few minutes, and then they had an 11-0 run in the 3rd. Orlando responded to both, and then swung back each time. Mitchel did his thing in the 4th, but it wasn't enough, MAgic just had too much going on by then.
The discord I was in was ready to murder Niang and Okoro, and they got nothing frron guys like TT and MM who actively hurt the team. That goaltend by Tristan when the ref already blew the whistle is a great example. Morris taking step back 3's in a game 6 was something you wouldn't even want 10 years ago. Compound all that with Evan playing like Luke Kornet for most of the game, and you get the idea. Cavs offense was just simple pick and roll and you knew Garland and Mitchel weren't passing it back out.
The people who said this game just came down to FT's missed a lot of the game it seems. What they really need to be saying instead of framing it this way is, Wagner is incredible at finding angles and getting to the rim and initiating contact. Same with Poalo. Size on the wings is the Cavs biggest weakness, everyone knows this, so why are people surprised they are getting handled by 2 6'10 guys driving to the paint? That's the real story, Cavs can't check either guy. Garland and Mitch are driving, but they are hitting mostly finesse shots, the kind that make you say wow, but they aren't banging like those 2 have been all series. Cavs have to foul or give up 2 every time one of thos guys beats a late defender, or decide to just go 1v1. They have no way of stopping either.
Last nights game was also determined by Jalen Suggs, from the start to the finish he was the difference maker, hitting timely shots. A few of those were off of the offensiv rebounds you were talking about.
Cavs are a tiny team, and Magic are gigantic. That size differential is showing itself in every facet of the game right now, and has been the real reason the Cavs are losing. They just physically can't compete, and yes the MAgic are playing with more hustle. The whistle is going to seem more friendly in that situation, but as a nuetral fan, I just see a JV team complaining they can't guard the 18 year old seniors out there for most of the game.
jbk1234 wrote:shi-woo wrote:drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
You got some very disingenuous responses, the Cavs did not have a better game and lose because of a favorable whistle. Idk how anyone could watch that game and say CLE outplayed the MAgic.
Lowkey the Cavs played like trash most of the game, and just made 2 serious runs to not make that game a blowout. They went on a run in th first half when Paolo came out and fultz and Ingles played terrible for a few minutes, and then they had an 11-0 run in the 3rd. Orlando responded to both, and then swung back each time. Mitchel did his thing in the 4th, but it wasn't enough, MAgic just had too much going on by then.
The discord I was in was ready to murder Niang and Okoro, and they got nothing frron guys like TT and MM who actively hurt the team. That goaltend by Tristan when the ref already blew the whistle is a great example. Morris taking step back 3's in a game 6 was something you wouldn't even want 10 years ago. Compound all that with Evan playing like Luke Kornet for most of the game, and you get the idea. Cavs offense was just simple pick and roll and you knew Garland and Mitchel weren't passing it back out.
The people who said this game just came down to FT's missed a lot of the game it seems. What they really need to be saying instead of framing it this way is, Wagner is incredible at finding angles and getting to the rim and initiating contact. Same with Poalo. Size on the wings is the Cavs biggest weakness, everyone knows this, so why are people surprised they are getting handled by 2 6'10 guys driving to the paint? That's the real story, Cavs can't check either guy. Garland and Mitch are driving, but they are hitting mostly finesse shots, the kind that make you say wow, but they aren't banging like those 2 have been all series. Cavs have to foul or give up 2 every time one of thos guys beats a late defender, or decide to just go 1v1. They have no way of stopping either.
Last nights game was also determined by Jalen Suggs, from the start to the finish he was the difference maker, hitting timely shots. A few of those were off of the offensiv rebounds you were talking about.
Cavs are a tiny team, and Magic are gigantic. That size differential is showing itself in every facet of the game right now, and has been the real reason the Cavs are losing. They just physically can't compete, and yes the MAgic are playing with more hustle. The whistle is going to seem more friendly in that situation, but as a nuetral fan, I just see a JV team complaining they can't guard the 18 year old seniors out there for most of the game.
Magic fans are in for a very rude awakening as to how *good* their players are going to be at drawing those *initiating contact* fouls in Boston should they get past the Cavs.
DowJones wrote:SOUL wrote:drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
Magic got a nice whistle tonight, but I don't think it was offensively bad. 6 of those BTW are from intentional fouling, so it's more like 20 to 10 FTs. I think people always forget this part when trying to quote free throw disparity. Could the Cavs have had like 2-3 more trips to the line? Sure.
But I also don't get the more paint points = team should get more fouls drawn.. especially with how poor our defense was inside today, a lot of layups and floaters from the Cavs, versus our drives kind of barreling inside with our bigs.
I think if there are bigger gripes for Cavs fans it can be physicality allowed on defense at times, versus specific fouls on plays at the basket giving them more free throws.
No, the whistle was offensively bad for Orlando. Orlando has been +40 from the free-throw line for the entire series. Orlando has been allowed to bump and shove every time a Cavalier has driven to the hoop.
SOUL wrote:drekwins wrote:I didnt get to see the game... but 26 FTs to 10 is wild. Orlando got 89 FGA, to Clevelands 86 FGA... and then, they got 16 more FT attempts. No team can win with the other team getting that many more attempts to score.
Overall, it appears that Cleveland outplayed them, but Orlando out hustled them on the boards (15 ORebs vs. 7) and got a very friendly whistle. Turnover battle was equal.
Are the stats deceiving or is that how it went down?
Magic got a nice whistle tonight, but I don't think it was offensively bad. 6 of those BTW are from intentional fouling, so it's more like 20 to 10 FTs. I think people always forget this part when trying to quote free throw disparity. Could the Cavs have had like 2-3 more trips to the line? Sure.
But I also don't get the more paint points = team should get more fouls drawn.. especially with how poor our defense was inside today, a lot of layups and floaters from the Cavs, versus our drives kind of barreling inside with our bigs.
I think if there are bigger gripes for Cavs fans it can be physicality allowed on defense at times, versus specific fouls on plays at the basket giving them more free throws.
thelead wrote:jbk1234 wrote:shi-woo wrote:
You got some very disingenuous responses, the Cavs did not have a better game and lose because of a favorable whistle. Idk how anyone could watch that game and say CLE outplayed the MAgic.
Lowkey the Cavs played like trash most of the game, and just made 2 serious runs to not make that game a blowout. They went on a run in th first half when Paolo came out and fultz and Ingles played terrible for a few minutes, and then they had an 11-0 run in the 3rd. Orlando responded to both, and then swung back each time. Mitchel did his thing in the 4th, but it wasn't enough, MAgic just had too much going on by then.
The discord I was in was ready to murder Niang and Okoro, and they got nothing frron guys like TT and MM who actively hurt the team. That goaltend by Tristan when the ref already blew the whistle is a great example. Morris taking step back 3's in a game 6 was something you wouldn't even want 10 years ago. Compound all that with Evan playing like Luke Kornet for most of the game, and you get the idea. Cavs offense was just simple pick and roll and you knew Garland and Mitchel weren't passing it back out.
The people who said this game just came down to FT's missed a lot of the game it seems. What they really need to be saying instead of framing it this way is, Wagner is incredible at finding angles and getting to the rim and initiating contact. Same with Poalo. Size on the wings is the Cavs biggest weakness, everyone knows this, so why are people surprised they are getting handled by 2 6'10 guys driving to the paint? That's the real story, Cavs can't check either guy. Garland and Mitch are driving, but they are hitting mostly finesse shots, the kind that make you say wow, but they aren't banging like those 2 have been all series. Cavs have to foul or give up 2 every time one of thos guys beats a late defender, or decide to just go 1v1. They have no way of stopping either.
Last nights game was also determined by Jalen Suggs, from the start to the finish he was the difference maker, hitting timely shots. A few of those were off of the offensiv rebounds you were talking about.
Cavs are a tiny team, and Magic are gigantic. That size differential is showing itself in every facet of the game right now, and has been the real reason the Cavs are losing. They just physically can't compete, and yes the MAgic are playing with more hustle. The whistle is going to seem more friendly in that situation, but as a nuetral fan, I just see a JV team complaining they can't guard the 18 year old seniors out there for most of the game.
Magic fans are in for a very rude awakening as to how *good* their players are going to be at drawing those *initiating contact* fouls in Boston should they get past the Cavs.
lol... there is literally one fan in here talking crazy and we're being generalized. I have the Celts in 5 if we happen to get by the Cavs. I fully expect to get beaten badly in most of the games too.... Kristaps being out is huge though.
cgf wrote:Rainwater wrote:Chokic wrote:Mitchell is a dwade caliber you don't trade that kind of player to prioritize mobleys development lol. I'm high on Garland but his game doesn't mesh well w/ mitchell as he needs the ball in his hand alot to really be effective.
Did you just call Mitchell Dwade Caliber? Dwade is arguably top 3 SG of all time. If Mitchell was Dwade caliber he would have won a title in Utah. You are either overrating Mitchell or have never seen Dwade play.
When did Mitchell play with anyone as good as LeBron or Shaq in Utah?
Rainwater wrote:cgf wrote:Rainwater wrote:
Did you just call Mitchell Dwade Caliber? Dwade is arguably top 3 SG of all time. If Mitchell was Dwade caliber he would have won a title in Utah. You are either overrating Mitchell or have never seen Dwade play.
When did Mitchell play with anyone as good as LeBron or Shaq in Utah?
True but Utah had some pretty talented squads. A DWade level player would have done so much more with such a team.
mcfly1204 wrote:Rainwater wrote:cgf wrote:
When did Mitchell play with anyone as good as LeBron or Shaq in Utah?
True but Utah had some pretty talented squads. A DWade level player would have done so much more with such a team.
Yeah, Utah would have had a dynasty with DWade, Gobert, and Clarkson.
