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bledredwine wrote:This is part of the reason that I find sports forums entertaining. Everything is sensationalized in the moment. Lebron was in GOAT contention, now its Jokic in GOAT contention, Lebron's unreal because he won, Lebron's garbage because he lost.

But the backlash is mostly caused by the "front lash"
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

How about, Lebron is one of the all time greats and has been struggling against Jokic in old age? Seems fair.

By the way, if you think this is bad, you should see the boxing forums.

ChiTownHero1992 wrote:No free pass whatsoever...LeBron in the last 20 years is becoming more synoymous with LOSING than Winning...he's lost 6 finals appearances, lost and swept (twice potentially) in back to back years...lost and missed playoffs twice w/ Lakers who each year pre-season was suggested as a TItle Contender...

When I think of players...Jordan = Automatic Championships....
Magic = Always competing and playing for a TItle and will get you a title more often than not
KAJ = Always competing and playing for a Title and will get you a title more often than not
LeBron = Finals Appearance yearly but not getting the job done when it counts
Curry = On paper looks amazing, but without the "help" goes no where

toodarkmark wrote:Anti-Lebron sentiment and posts are a form of mental illness. #2 player all time, still an all star at 40, but people who have never accomplished anything in their lives get some weird satisfaction trying to find something, anything, to critique. It really shows how our modern society is obsessed with negative falsehoods, instead of intelligent discourse.

God Squad wrote:Lebron gets a pass because he's old. But it'll be interesting to see the mental gymnastics once Jokic starts to creep up on LBJ for accolades. Jokic's potential is immense.

NyKnicks1714 wrote:This board needs a stickied LeBron hate circlejerk thread.

DOT wrote:I just think it's wild to say that a player who made the playoffs 16 out of 20 years and only lost in the 1st round 1 time so far is "synonymous with losing"

I get that MJ fans are super insecure, but still lol.

TheGeneral99 wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Anti-Lebron sentiment and posts are a form of mental illness. #2 player all time, still an all star at 40, but people who have never accomplished anything in their lives get some weird satisfaction trying to find something, anything, to critique. It really shows how our modern society is obsessed with negative falsehoods, instead of intelligent discourse.

I agree Lebron is the #2 player of all-time and him playing at this level at 40 years old is just incredible.

My only issue with Lebron his entire career has been him constantly manufacturing his own teams and constantly playing GM.

Meeksology wrote:

NyKnicks1714 wrote:This board needs a stickied LeBron hate circlejerk thread.

Yup, just underneath a stickied lebroner slurpfest thread

KyRo23 wrote:

Meeksology wrote:

NyKnicks1714 wrote:This board needs a stickied LeBron hate circlejerk thread.

Yup, just underneath a stickied lebroner slurpfest thread

He has fans… wild, I know

I’d rather be a fan of someone and talk about them, than to hate someone and talk about them all the time. These are not the same

Hair Jordan wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Lebron is 39 lol.

Of course You can’t have it both ways. You can’t stroke Lebron when he has a nice game or breaks some cumulative stats record and then let him off of the hook when he stinks it up in the playoffs by reminding people he’s 39. Typical response from a Lebron homer.

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AlexanderRight wrote:

prophet_of_rage wrote:But Lebron had 30 teams co.pared to Jordan's 23 and then expansion. Don't pretend Jordan's NBA was the same as Lebron's.

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There were only 3 less teams than there are now when MJ won his first chip and only 1 less team than now when he won his last. The difference in number of teams compared to now is basically nonexistent. Comparing that to the 8 team league in the 60’s is a joke.

Jordan got to face SIX fledgling expansion teams. Jordan got teams who overcommitted salaries to stars to prevent team ups. Jordan's NBA expansion is as different from Lebron's NBA as Russell's was to Jordan's. It's okay to acknowledge that. Jordan had advantages in winning just like Russell had just like Lebron was going to have until a one time salary exception allowed a maxed out Warriors to add a max KD.

It is what it is.

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Meeksology wrote:

NyKnicks1714 wrote:This board needs a stickied LeBron hate circlejerk thread.

Yup, just underneath a stickied lebroner slurpfest thread

Meeksology wrote:

KyRo23 wrote:

Meeksology wrote:Yup, just underneath a stickied lebroner slurpfest thread

He has fans… wild, I know

I’d rather be a fan of someone and talk about them, than to hate someone and talk about them all the time. These are not the same

There's fans and then theres lebroners, just like non-fans and haters.. u can see the difference ya?

KyRo23 wrote:

Meeksology wrote:

KyRo23 wrote:
He has fans… wild, I know

I’d rather be a fan of someone and talk about them, than to hate someone and talk about them all the time. These are not the same

There's fans and then theres lebroners, just like non-fans and haters.. u can see the difference ya?

I’m not sure man, I guess what I see here more are the “non -fans”, but they’re louder than the fans. Just weird to me to put in effort for someone you’re not a fan of. I’d call myself a non-fan of Kobe, but I don’t talk about him every day

AlexanderRight wrote:

prophet_of_rage wrote:

AlexanderRight wrote:There were only 3 less teams than there are now when MJ won his first chip and only 1 less team than now when he won his last. The difference in number of teams compared to now is basically nonexistent. Comparing that to the 8 team league in the 60’s is a joke.

Jordan got to face SIX fledgling expansion teams. Jordan got teams who overcommitted salaries to stars to prevent team ups. Jordan's NBA expansion is as different from Lebron's NBA as Russell's was to Jordan's. It's okay to acknowledge that. Jordan had advantages in winning just like Russell had just like Lebron was going to have until a one time salary exception allowed a maxed out Warriors to add a max KD.

It is what it is.

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To say the league was different in the 90's is a fair discussion but the difference between MJ's NBA and Lebron's NBA isn't a fraction of the difference between Russell's and MJ's. You're equating a 10 year gap in the modern era to a 30 year gap from the civil rights era. To act like there's any legit comparison is a piss poor argument.

Meeksology wrote:

Iwasawitness wrote:

shi-woo wrote:I just find it crazy how the face of the league gives up on his team so easily. For those of us who've followed his entire career this is just a reoccuring theme, and it's nauseating.

Last night the discord I was in was crushing the announcers because the 1st half was a glaze fest for LeBron. "OMG that pass! OMG that 3pnt shot! OMG did you know hes 40! OMG he's screaming in DLo's face, what a leader! OMG that was the best bunny ears i've seen from a guy tying hi shoes!"

It gets annoying, and then it's crickets when the dude just shuts down. Passive aggressive and LeBron have been married since his early CLE days, and it's weird how he allows that to effect his team. It's like having a spouse that's mad at you but won't tell you why or want to talk about it. It just drains you, and is the exact opposite of leadership.

I just don't understand how he can consistently get away with it, nor do I understand why every other star like KD, Steph, Embiid, and Jokic all have to go to extraordinary lengths just to prove they belong at the head of the league.

I've seen this man quit on 4 teams now, and I 'm really curious to what his fans say about this, because it's undeniable at this point. When the going gets tough, LEBron gets weak.

He grabbed 2 gimme title in shortened seasons, and formed another superteam with 2 other All-NBA players to get his other best ring. I'm still left unimpressed by LeBron and how he's carried himself. Every year I hear how guys like KD are snakes, or how Jokic and Curry just aren't HIM, but every year with LeBron and his fans it's Bugs Bunny "WE NEED MORE HELP!"

Like for real, you have people in this thread saying stuff like "They’ve never recovered from losing Carusol" Like come on man. He left his home town team again with 2 ALL-NBA guys to team up with AD, who also quit on his team to play with LeBron in LA. He handpicked every player he plays with, but Alex freaking Caruso is the deal breaker for you guys? Trading for Westbrook the icing on the cake?

Jokic be out here creating a potential dynasty as the only All-star on his team, and a bunch of cast offs that no one else wanted. Imagine what he would be doing if he had 2 other Top 15 players on his team like LeBron has since 2011 It's just getting absurd, and I can't wait for this dude to retire so the Propaganda machine can leave with him (but we all know it's just going to ramp up and get worse, and these moments will get erased from history just like a certain nike hoops camp dunk)

At the low IQ drivel that is this post

His post makes sense if you read it with unbiased eyes

Hair Jordan wrote:

DOT wrote:I just think it's wild to say that a player who made the playoffs 16 out of 20 years and only lost in the 1st round 1 time so far is "synonymous with losing"

I get that MJ fans are super insecure, but still lol.

Jim Kelly and the Buffalo Bills made it to 4 consecutive Super Bowls in the early ‘90’s. They lost all four. Does anyone credit them for making four consecutive Super Bowls? Nope, people shame them for losing more than they won. They’re considered losers. Same as Lebron. It is what it is.