Iwasawitness wrote:Meeksology wrote:His post makes sense if you read it with unbiased eyes
I’m not reading it with unbiased eyes, I’m reading it while using my brain. It’s pretty clear the people who And1 it weren’t doing that.
I've decided to give this post another go and breakdown what is wrong with it. It's truly baffling to me that a post with so much nonsense can get 23 And1s and praise for what is very clearly a nonsensical rant with no real thought put into it. But since multiple people have given it undeserved praise, I've decided to take it upon myself to break down what is wrong with it.
shi-woo wrote:I just find it crazy how the face of the league gives up on his team so easily. For those of us who've followed his entire career this is just a reoccuring theme, and it's nauseating.
And what does "giving up on their team" mean exactly? In what context does this apply? He gave up on them last night? How? In what way? How often does he do it? Because anyone who actually has followed him his entire career would tell you this is utter nonsense, and for good reason. We're talking about the guy who led the only 3-1 comeback in an NBA Finals in NBA history, with back to back 40 point performances and a triple double to top it all off. We're talking about (and this isn't arguable btw) the greatest elimination game performer in NBA history. You're trying to paint one picture but the one reality has given us on a silver platter says otherwise. LeBron being a quitter stopped being a narrative back in 2012, when it was very clear that was a dumb thing to think from the start. Anyone who still thinks this way CLEARLY hasn't actually followed his career.
shi-woo wrote:Last night the discord I was in was crushing the announcers because the 1st half was a glaze fest for LeBron. "OMG that pass! OMG that 3pnt shot! OMG did you know hes 40! OMG he's screaming in DLo's face, what a leader! OMG that was the best bunny ears i've seen from a guy tying hi shoes!"
It gets annoying, and then it's crickets when the dude just shuts down. Passive aggressive and LeBron have been married since his early CLE days, and it's weird how he allows that to effect his team. It's like having a spouse that's mad at you but won't tell you why or want to talk about it. It just drains you, and is the exact opposite of leadership.
What the hell does this even mean? So because the guy clearly can't keep up with the pace he's playing at now, that makes him a poor leader? I think that more so points to him not being capable of doing the things we're all expecting of him anymore. That's not his fault, but for some reason that's something we should hold against him? What logical sense does that make? And what do you mean "passive aggressive"? How long have you watched the NBA for? NBA players showing a passive aggressive nature when they're losing has always been a thing. Almost every star player does it. Michael Jordan was even worse with it, so where the hell is the criticism for him? Where are the claims that he is a poor leader? Bron will at least own up to his mistakes, he'll admit when he's wrong. He was literally called a bitch by his own teammate, lashed out at him and apologized after, even though he didn't need to. But let me guess, the guy who punches his teammate is a great leader, right?
shi-woo wrote:I just don't understand how he can consistently get away with it, nor do I understand why every other star like KD, Steph, Embiid, and Jokic all have to go to extraordinary lengths just to prove they belong at the head of the league.
So what, you're saying LeBron himself didn't have to go to extraordinary lengths to prove he belonged at the head of the league? Winning three MVPs, having multiple historic performances the likes of which we've never seen before, leading the Cavaliers to multiple 60 win seasons, and having some of the most historically dominant seasons of all time, yet he needed to finally win that first championship just for him being the best player in the league to be the consensus. None of those four guys you just named have ever done all of these things to reach that point, not to mention two of them didn't even get to that point. They didn't have to go to "extraordinary lengths" because they never did, at least not in comparison to what LeBron has had to go through. Hell, Jokic did far less before winning his first title and by that point, him being the best player in the league was already the consensus. And don't even get me started on the far superior supporting casts they've been blessed with compared to LeBron.
shi-woo wrote:I've seen this man quit on 4 teams now, and I 'm really curious to what his fans say about this, because it's undeniable at this point. When the going gets tough, LEBron gets weak.
You didn't see any such thing and you're full of **** if you're claiming otherwise. There is one time where you can actually argue he's quit on his team, and that's 2010 when he outright admitted that he didn't think the Cavaliers were going to beat the Celtics.
shi-woo wrote:He grabbed 2 gimme title in shortened seasons, and formed another superteam with 2 other All-NBA players to get his other best ring. I'm still left unimpressed by LeBron and how he's carried himself. Every year I hear how guys like KD are snakes, or how Jokic and Curry just aren't HIM, but every year with LeBron and his fans it's Bugs Bunny "WE NEED MORE HELP!"
There is so much wrong with this one short section of your long blown out low IQ drivel of a post that I actually have to break it down into multiple sections.
1. He grabbed two gimme titles? This is an outright lie. I can and will give you 2020 (god forbid LeBron not have to face a team clearly superior to his with clear matchup advantages, god forbid he finally have it easy for once, as opposed to Jokic who had arguably the easiest path to a championship in NBA history), but 2012 was not a gimme title at all. For starters, LeBron had to put on a historic performance just to get his team TO the finals in the first place. And then there's his actual finals opponent themselves... the Thunder. I know people like to pretend that this was a clear mismatch when you consider the fact that the Heat won the series in 5... but in reality, the Thunder were favored to win this series and for good reasons. The Thunder had the better record despite playing in a more competitive conference, they had the better net rating, the better SRS rating and had the better offense on top of having a better team on paper and more depth. This was not a gimme title by any stretch of the imagination. The Thunder were an outstanding team, who just got beat by a very game Miami Heat squad.
2. Formed another superteam with two other all NBA players? Once again, this is an outright lie. He formed a superteam with ONE all NBA player, and that was Kevin Love. Yeah, fun fact: Kyrie Irving had not made an all NBA team at that point. In fact, he wouldn't make one until that very season, his first one playing with LeBron. And it was only the third team. Kevin Love on the other hand? That other all NBA player? He never made an All NBA team ever again once he joined Cleveland. But hey, why stop there? In LeBron's four years with Miami, Wade was the only other member of the Heat to make the all NBA team. He made the second team in 2011, and the third team in both 2012 and 2013, while failing to make it in 2014. Chris Bosh on the other hand never made the all NBA team once while he played with James (keep this part in mind, because I have a feeling it's going to be important for us to mention in a bit...). Another fun fact: LeBron has only had a teammate make first team all NBA once in his entire career. Wanna know what year that was? You guessed it, 2020 during LeBron's last true MVP caliber season and final championship campaign. I bet he wishes he would have had a teammate make first team all NBA during his prime... oh well. I guess he wasn't as lucky as *checks notes* Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, and Shaq, all of whom had teammates who made first team all NBA during their primes. But LeBron was the one who stacked the deck. Right.
3. Speaking of that other ring, the one you yourself said is his most impressive (the one correct thing you've said here), I've already corrected you in that LeBron only joined up with one other all NBA player when he went back to Cleveland, not two. But you wanna know something funny? What were that all NBA players stats in that championship that he won? 8 PPG and 6 RPG. And he did that against a 73 win team. Yet for some reason you aren't impressed that he won that title. Sounds to me like you have an agenda here.
4. I'm sorry, are LeBron fans not allowed to point out when his teams are flawed and clearly need to be better? I mean I can't speak for Jokic because I personally understand that he had unfavorable circumstances to work with for a while (sound familiar?), but both Curry and Durant have had the teams needed to get it done, and they, like LeBron, have had situations where their own weaknesses as players prevented them from being able to win it all. You want to know the difference between the three though? We have very good reasons to believe that LeBron can not only win it all, but in situations where he honestly has no business doing so. I am fully convinced at this point that Kevin Durant cannot win a championship without an all time supporting cast behind him. Curry did it one time in 2022, and hasn't come close to doing so since, and didn't come close before that.
shi-woo wrote:Like for real, you have people in this thread saying stuff like "They’ve never recovered from losing Carusol" Like come on man. He left his home town team again with 2 ALL-NBA guys to team up with AD, who also quit on his team to play with LeBron in LA. He handpicked every player he plays with, but Alex freaking Caruso is the deal breaker for you guys? Trading for Westbrook the icing on the cake?
Once again, another small section that has so much wrong with it that I have to break it down into multiple sections.
1. First off, if you're going to call out something I say, at least have the balls to quote me so I know you're doing it. I completely forgot you even did this originally because there was so much wrong with your post that my head was spinning after I was finished reading it all. But with that said: at least reveal EVERYTHING I've said and not just one part. Maybe then you'd have an actual point. As such, it wasn't just losing Caruso. I very clearly mention the Westbrook trade which had even far more detrimental affects on the Lakers. Not only was Westbrook a terrible fit who made the Lakers far worse, they had to give up KCP, Harrell, and Kuzma just to get him. This completely killed their depth, which was a big factor in them being champions in 2020 in the first place. The pieces they got after trading Westbrook away didn't make up for what they've lost, and thus, they haven't recovered from this debacle since. Don't get me wrong: LeBron is fully at fault for this, since he is the one who pushed for the trade to happen and practically orchestrated the whole thing, but that doesn't change the fact he was terrible on the team, and they gave up too much for something that ultimately made them worse.
2. There you go again with the "2 all NBA players" nonsense. I mean... this part in of itself requires multiple breakdowns but I'll do my best to keep it brief. LeBron did not leave his hometown with two all NBA players. This is, once again, an outright lie, on multiple fronts. LeBron was the only player on his team to make all NBA that season, so he clearly did not have two all NBA players with him. But more importantly: one of the two you're referring to weren't even on the damn team. Kyrie Irving got traded before 2018 began. So either you somehow forgot this, didn't know which is even worse, OR you knew and were hoping people would be gullible enough to believe you (and from the looks of it, they did). So which is it?
3. I've gone down this rabbit hole so many times, to the point where I'm legitimately baffled when I still have to explain it, but just because someone handpicked their teammates doesn't automatically make said team the greatest thing ever assembled. And for someone who CLAIMS they have followed LeBron all of their life, the one thing you should know by now is that when it comes to putting teams together, LeBron is hilariously bad at it. It is a well known fact that LeBron chose to go to Miami after Bosh chose to go there, but despite this, the team was a terrible fit for him and it wasn't until Miami made roster changes on their own accord that they were able to actually maximize LeBron's abilities as a player. Him pushing for the Westbrook trade was an all time blunder that just about anyone should have known wasn't going to work out well. When I was on reddit at the time, they went nuts about how bad of a trade this was, and the results spoke for themselves. Two years ago they were champions... but all of a sudden they were out of playoff contention, and this is with LeBron being second in scoring that season. That pretty much says it all right there.
4. If you truly can't understand why losing Caruso, KCP, Harrell and Kuzma, and the additions were Westbrook of all people, was a huge negative for the Lakers, that alone says it all about your very limited and laughably bad knowledge of the sport we are discussing.
shi-woo wrote:Jokic be out here creating a potential dynasty as the only All-star on his team, and a bunch of cast offs that no one else wanted. Imagine what he would be doing if he had 2 other Top 15 players on his team like LeBron has since 2011
It's just getting absurd, and I can't wait for this dude to retire so the Propaganda machine can leave with him (but we all know it's just going to ramp up and get worse, and these moments will get erased from history just like a certain nike hoops camp dunk)
I'm getting sick of having to do these breakdowns. Thank god this is the final section.
1. Jokic creating a potential dynasty? He's won one championship, and this year the Nuggets are clearly worse as a team. And I have a very hard time seeing them overcome the Celtics, assuming they even make it past the Timberwolves and Thunder.
2. Imagine what he would be doing? How about we imagine what LeBron would have done if he had anywhere close to the favorable circumstances that Jokic had last year. A team perfectly built for his strengths with multiple players capable of impacting the game in a variety of ways, facing a 7th seed in the WCF, and facing TWO 8th seeds, one of whom were his NBA Finals opponents!! The Nuggets had by far the easiest path to a championship in NBA history, but for some reason no one wants to point this out. Meanwhile, LeBron still had a much more difficult path to a finals in 2012 and 2020, and yet you're out here calling those gimme titles. This to me just further demonstrates that you have an agenda and aren't even attempting to be objective.
3. LeBron has had TWO top 15 players on his team since 2011? Oh man, this should be good. Who are they? Name them. He sure as hell did not have them when he was in Cleveland because by no stretch of the imagination was Kevin Love, who failed to make an all NBA team during that stretch, a top 15 player. Hell, an argument can be made that Irving wasn't even one. Lakers? Who are they. Anthony Davis is one, that's for sure, but who the hell is the other? Name them. Or is this just another outright lie from you?
Your entire post has been nothing but false narratives and made up nonsense. Is this the bar we are now setting? That a post filled with clear gaps in logic, obvious bull **** that can easily be disproven with a google search, and exaggerated statements that are far gone from reality, somehow make sense? I don't know about you guys, but where I come from, a statement filled with stuff like this are supposed to be disregarded and laughed at. But you know what? Screw it, I'm actually kind of glad a post like this exists because it just confirms what I already know and what I've been saying for a while now: LeBron haters do not care about facts, they don't care about reality, and they sure as hell do not care about even being right. You can just make stuff up and they will eat it all up, regardless of whether or not what's being said is asinine.
It makes sense when you used unbiased eyes... jesus christ.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t stroke Lebron when he has a nice game or breaks some cumulative stats record and then let him off of the hook when he stinks it up in the playoffs by reminding people he’s 39. Typical response from a Lebron homer.
