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ChipotleWest wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:ChipotleWest wrote:
You didn't know that when he was the second best player on the championship team?
He wasn't the second best player on the championship team. He was super important though and did hit the title winning bucket over Draymond.
I mean sure you can say Lowry or VanVleet, but he was 19 ppg and 7 rebounds for the playoffs. That works for a second best scorer.
nikster wrote:The Servant wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Dude is a great player. Always has been. We got a bag of chips for him because he was expiring this summer. Masai waited too long to trade him. Had we traded him two seasons ago when some of us wanted to, we would have gotten a similar haul to what Utah got for Gobert or Mitchell.
Masai's post championship GMing is in the bottom 30% of the league imo. Not sure the last 2 or 3 years is top 20.
I have a hard time believing that. As much as there's been some poor decisions the Barnes picks and the OG trade were both incredible moves, and the team is pretty well positioned for a quick rebuild.
Pistons, Wizards, Hornets, Nets, Hawks, Trail blazers and Bulls have all been really bad. Suns can probably be added to that group, gave up future for a win now move for 3 stars that don't fit, looking like they're about to be a first round exit while capped out. Lakers have made several blunders since their title. Don't see an argument for Raps being worse than any of those teams.
Then other teams have really stagnated. Bucks haven't done any significant moves since their title, results on the Lillard trade are tbd. Golden State messed up trying to balance win now with youth. 76ers haven't added anyone meaningful around Joel since Maxey was drafted. teams like the Cavs and Kings made big moves that haven't led to any real success yet, and can look like big mistakes if they don't get anywhere the near future.
The Servant wrote:nikster wrote:The Servant wrote:
Masai's post championship GMing is in the bottom 30% of the league imo. Not sure the last 2 or 3 years is top 20.
I have a hard time believing that. As much as there's been some poor decisions the Barnes picks and the OG trade were both incredible moves, and the team is pretty well positioned for a quick rebuild.
Pistons, Wizards, Hornets, Nets, Hawks, Trail blazers and Bulls have all been really bad. Suns can probably be added to that group, gave up future for a win now move for 3 stars that don't fit, looking like they're about to be a first round exit while capped out. Lakers have made several blunders since their title. Don't see an argument for Raps being worse than any of those teams.
Then other teams have really stagnated. Bucks haven't done any significant moves since their title, results on the Lillard trade are tbd. Golden State messed up trying to balance win now with youth. 76ers haven't added anyone meaningful around Joel since Maxey was drafted. teams like the Cavs and Kings made big moves that haven't led to any real success yet, and can look like big mistakes if they don't get anywhere the near future.
Would you have their office in the top 15? If so, which team's GM is behind them at 16
aminiaturebuddha wrote:kleatius_01 wrote:Potential wrote:Always been a playoff riser except for the bubble where he never played basketball for 6 months. He's at his best feeding off of the home crowd's energy
If by playoff riser you mean has been less productive than in the regular season every year of his career then I guess so?
He's killing it this year tho, what a hot start. If he keeps it up the bucks are in trouble!
That's simply not true. In the 2019 playoff run (the most playoff games he's ever played), he averaged 19 ppg, 7.1 rpg, and 2.8 apg compared to his averages during the regular season of 16.9 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 3.1 apg.
During the 2022 series against Philly he averaged numbers very close to his season averages at 22.8, 7.2, 5.8 compared to 22.8, 8.5, 5.3.
Really the only time he's been less productive than in the regular season was during the bubble playoffs in 2020, and that was because he famously wasn't able to workout or practice during the pandemic and came back rusty as hell.
kleatius_01 wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:kleatius_01 wrote:
If by playoff riser you mean has been less productive than in the regular season every year of his career then I guess so?
He's killing it this year tho, what a hot start. If he keeps it up the bucks are in trouble!
That's simply not true. In the 2019 playoff run (the most playoff games he's ever played), he averaged 19 ppg, 7.1 rpg, and 2.8 apg compared to his averages during the regular season of 16.9 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 3.1 apg.
During the 2022 series against Philly he averaged numbers very close to his season averages at 22.8, 7.2, 5.8 compared to 22.8, 8.5, 5.3.
Really the only time he's been less productive than in the regular season was during the bubble playoffs in 2020, and that was because he famously wasn't able to workout or practice during the pandemic and came back rusty as hell.
In both 2019 and 2022 his minutes went way up in the playoffs while efficiency went down. Not exactly a playoff riser.
The past is past, this year he's killing it!
aminiaturebuddha wrote:Ah ok, so what you meant to say is that he's been less efficient, not less productive. Thanks for the correction.
The Servant wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Dude is a great player. Always has been. We got a bag of chips for him because he was expiring this summer. Masai waited too long to trade him. Had we traded him two seasons ago when some of us wanted to, we would have gotten a similar haul to what Utah got for Gobert or Mitchell.
Masai's post championship GMing is in the bottom 30% of the league imo. Not sure the last 2 or 3 years is top 20.
The Servant wrote:nikster wrote:The Servant wrote:
Masai's post championship GMing is in the bottom 30% of the league imo. Not sure the last 2 or 3 years is top 20.
I have a hard time believing that. As much as there's been some poor decisions the Barnes picks and the OG trade were both incredible moves, and the team is pretty well positioned for a quick rebuild.
Pistons, Wizards, Hornets, Nets, Hawks, Trail blazers and Bulls have all been really bad. Suns can probably be added to that group, gave up future for a win now move for 3 stars that don't fit, looking like they're about to be a first round exit while capped out. Lakers have made several blunders since their title. Don't see an argument for Raps being worse than any of those teams.
Then other teams have really stagnated. Bucks haven't done any significant moves since their title, results on the Lillard trade are tbd. Golden State messed up trying to balance win now with youth. 76ers haven't added anyone meaningful around Joel since Maxey was drafted. teams like the Cavs and Kings made big moves that haven't led to any real success yet, and can look like big mistakes if they don't get anywhere the near future.
Would you have their office in the top 15? If so, which team's GM is behind them at 16
kleatius_01 wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:kleatius_01 wrote:
If by playoff riser you mean has been less productive than in the regular season every year of his career then I guess so?
He's killing it this year tho, what a hot start. If he keeps it up the bucks are in trouble!
That's simply not true. In the 2019 playoff run (the most playoff games he's ever played), he averaged 19 ppg, 7.1 rpg, and 2.8 apg compared to his averages during the regular season of 16.9 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 3.1 apg.
During the 2022 series against Philly he averaged numbers very close to his season averages at 22.8, 7.2, 5.8 compared to 22.8, 8.5, 5.3.
Really the only time he's been less productive than in the regular season was during the bubble playoffs in 2020, and that was because he famously wasn't able to workout or practice during the pandemic and came back rusty as hell.
In both 2019 and 2022 his minutes went way up in the playoffs while efficiency went down. Not exactly a playoff riser.
The past is past, this year he's killing it!
kleatius_01 wrote:aminiaturebuddha wrote:Ah ok, so what you meant to say is that he's been less efficient, not less productive. Thanks for the correction.
Uh not really. I think effectiveness is part of the definition of productivity. Rate of output (stats) per unit of input (time/touches). Sorry to be a downer, I just wouldn't say he's played better in playoffs in the past. Full disclosure, I am a Raps fan so may be biased.
Johnny Bball wrote:Los_29 wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Dude is a great player. Always has been. We got a bag of chips for him because he was expiring this summer. Masai waited too long to trade him. Had we traded him two seasons ago when some of us wanted to, we would have gotten a similar haul that Utah got for Gobert or Mitchell.
There was no reason to trade him then. 48 wins and the ROTY.
What you want to do is trade your best players in the middle of decent contracts as soon as they are exactly at their prime. And you just keep doing that over and over so you can continue to win only 48 games.
Wargreymon wrote:Sigh...we got robbed by the Pacers didn't we?
bledredwine wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Los_29 wrote:
There was no reason to trade him then. 48 wins and the ROTY.
What you want to do is trade your best players in the middle of decent contracts as soon as they are exactly at their prime. And you just keep doing that over and over so you can continue to win only 48 games.
That's what I was saying ASAP about Lavine, but none of the Bulls fans or FO wanted that.
We're in a stellar position now. Yes, that's sarcasm.
Learn from our mistakes.
Duffman100 wrote:Love the GB. Siakam sucks when he's a Raptors, not worth talking about Raptor fans are ridiculous.
Now he's on the Pacers, Raptors made a huge mistake.
There are a couple posters in this thread who have **** talk Siakam's impact in the past that are now turning around and claiming a massive mistake.
Jadoogar wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Love the GB. Siakam sucks when he's a Raptors, not worth talking about Raptor fans are ridiculous.
Now he's on the Pacers, Raptors made a huge mistake.
There are a couple posters in this thread who have **** talk Siakam's impact in the past that are now turning around and claiming a massive mistake.
Siakam was super underrated because of how terrible the Raptors' roster was constructed. I knew he would look much better when he wasn't playing next to 2 guys who didn't shoot.
