Is Jokic better than Lebron ever was ? Has he already peaked higher ? How long before he surpasses him all time?

[JustBuzzin]

What's up with these Jokic threads?

Y'all trying to make this dude the GOAT overnight with just 1 championship is crazy. Just relax and let it play out.

Stop comparing him to LeBron it's just not the right time to have that discussion. People tried to do the same with Giannis and look how they turned out.

You new to Realgm?

Sort of, but I know Jokic is the most popular player on the board, but damn these topics are just bad conversation.

Jokic has 1 championship. Comparing him to players like Kobe and LeBron is just disrespectful and way too early. Jokic needs another 5 years at elite level before we start talking GOAT.

[AleksandarN]

What's up with these Jokic threads?

Y'all trying to make this dude the GOAT overnight with just 1 championship is crazy. Just relax and let it play out.

Stop comparing him to LeBron it's just not the right time to have that discussion. People tried to do the same with Giannis and look how they turned out.

You new to Realgm?

Sort of, but I know Jokic is the most popular player on the board, but damn these topics are just bad conversation.

Jokic has 1 championship. Comparing him to players like Kobe and LeBron is just disrespectful and way too early. Jokic needs another 5 years at elite level before we start talking GOAT.

I have been here for 23 years. I seen everything on this board.

[Ugly Duckling]

in terms of PER he's even better than Jordan

[TheNG]

Jokic has a better 2-way supporting cast plus coaching staff than LeBron has ever had outside of 2013 pre-Wade injury, and hasn't displayed anywhere near that kind of dominance; nor has he beaten any notably tough teams as of yet.

2020 is the only other supporting cast that was comparable talent-wise even though the Nuggets coaching staff is better overall, and the Lakers stomped their way to the #1 overall seed. Then they dominated en-route to a chip vs a tough slate of Western conference teams without getting to enjoy any of their homecourt advantage.

Jokic is going to have to do better than smoking some weak teams with the best supporting cast and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

this is some kind of joke ??????

do you know how many all-star, all nba, all defensive, hall of fame player has lebron played with in his career ?
Even his rookie season he has all-star team mate ?

How many has he played with all those at the same time in their primes moron? And how many times has he played with a great supporting cast AND a top 5 coaching staff in the league LMFAO. Only in 2013 and then Wade got injured.

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

[LaLover11]

He will never be better than Prime LeBron

[Heej]

this is some kind of joke ??????

do you know how many all-star, all nba, all defensive, hall of fame player has lebron played with in his career ?
Even his rookie season he has all-star team mate ?

How many has he played with all those at the same time in their primes moron? And how many times has he played with a great supporting cast AND a top 5 coaching staff in the league LMFAO. Only in 2013 and then Wade got injured.

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

Oh so now we're moving the goalposts, good one casual. Btw genius, if LeBron stayed the heat would've lost both Bosh and Wade with no avenue to retool due to cap space constraints. Jokic is lucky he got drafted to a class organization that developed players properly. Also Spo was a bum coach his first year and needed to go learn how to coach an offense from a goddamn college football coach in the 2011 off-season LMFAO. Y'all really don't Know ball if these are the takes you're falling for when Jokic has the best roster and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Same casuals who fell for the propaganda that Jordan was the best player who will ever live when he dominated in a trash era and similarly had the best roster and coaching staff in the league. Call me when Jokic beats comp and had to do it without all these crutches the way LeBron took flawed 2012, 2013, and 2016 casts to the chip and then won one with average Vogel coaching in 2020

[durden_tyler]

Jokic did not need to form a Super Team to get his ring. That in itself is already more impressive than what LeBron’s titles.

[advent11]

No, he's not better than peak LeBron.

[Zadeh]

How many has he played with all those at the same time in their primes moron? And how many times has he played with a great supporting cast AND a top 5 coaching staff in the league LMFAO. Only in 2013 and then Wade got injured.

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

Oh so now we're moving the goalposts, good one casual. Btw genius, if LeBron stayed the heat would've lost both Bosh and Wade with no avenue to retool due to cap space constraints. Jokic is lucky he got drafted to a class organization that developed players properly. Also Spo was a bum coach his first year and needed to go learn how to coach an offense from a goddamn college football coach in the 2011 off-season LMFAO. Y'all really don't Know ball if these are the takes you're falling for when Jokic has the best roster and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Same casuals who fell for the propaganda that Jordan was the best player who will ever live when he dominated in a trash era and similarly had the best roster and coaching staff in the league. Call me when Jokic beats comp and had to do it without all these crutches the way LeBron took flawed 2012, 2013, and 2016 casts to the chip and then won one with average Vogel coaching in 2020

I doubt that you can count but anyway I make a list

Those players was all in theirs prime

At cavs first stint
He played prime Iglauskas an all-star
Then prime larry hughes all-star an all-defence
Carlos Boozer was run and saved himself
Mo williams all-star
Antawan Jamisson all-star

At miami

Dwayne Wade all-nba, fmvp, all-star
Chris bosh all-naba etc etc
Ray Allen (actually not in his prime but won a ring )

at cavs second stint

Kyrie Irving all-nba
Kevin Love all-nba
Isaiah thomas all-nba 5th in mvp

At lakers

Brondon İngram
Julius Randle
Davis
Westbrook

Could you count it this ? They are all in their primes or near theirs prime.

Maybe you cant, this need to has some proficency. 15 player all of them in their prime or one or two year away in their prime.

All of them except Ray allen was all-star nearby.

Could you say that for Jokic?

And Mike Malone not a good coach, Jokic make seems him as a good coach, like every player plays with him.

Personal attacks are not allowed, everyone. Debate the post as strongly as you'd like but don't insults the poster. I believe Heej was the fist one to call someone a moron in this thread but that doesn't make it a moron free for all where we all just call each other a moron now lol. -b

[Handlez]

I think it deserves his own thread

Jokic is more efficient, more clutch, better teammate, doesn't get refs' calls ( he could have won in 2020 ), and he is better with his attitude.

I don't see where Lebron is better , except for media hype...

No, no and probably never.

Your thread is bad and you should feel bad.

How is this thread bad?

Are you pretending LeBron is untouchable? He's not that guy. Jokic has a great argument over him.

Jokic is that good.

[Handlez]

Jokic has a better 2-way supporting cast plus coaching staff than LeBron has ever had outside of 2013 pre-Wade injury, and hasn't displayed anywhere near that kind of dominance; nor has he beaten any notably tough teams as of yet.

2020 is the only other supporting cast that was comparable talent-wise even though the Nuggets coaching staff is better overall, and the Lakers stomped their way to the #1 overall seed. Then they dominated en-route to a chip vs a tough slate of Western conference teams without getting to enjoy any of their homecourt advantage.

Jokic is going to have to do better than smoking some weak teams with the best supporting cast and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Wait...are you saying Jokic has had more help than super team hopping LeBron?

Oh no.

This is why these discussions can't logically take place.

And the best coaching staff in the league? Oof. Jokic is so good he's got people thinking Denver is stacked and Malone is a GOAT coach.

[Heej]

Jokic has a better 2-way supporting cast plus coaching staff than LeBron has ever had outside of 2013 pre-Wade injury, and hasn't displayed anywhere near that kind of dominance; nor has he beaten any notably tough teams as of yet.

2020 is the only other supporting cast that was comparable talent-wise even though the Nuggets coaching staff is better overall, and the Lakers stomped their way to the #1 overall seed. Then they dominated en-route to a chip vs a tough slate of Western conference teams without getting to enjoy any of their homecourt advantage.

Jokic is going to have to do better than smoking some weak teams with the best supporting cast and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Wait...are you saying Jokic has had more help than super team hopping LeBron?

Oh no.

Unfortunately for LeBron none of those super teams actually managed to stay healthy or find good role players. Unlike the insane lineup Jokic has flanking him right now alongside a really good coaching staff.

[Heej]

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

Oh so now we're moving the goalposts, good one casual. Btw genius, if LeBron stayed the heat would've lost both Bosh and Wade with no avenue to retool due to cap space constraints. Jokic is lucky he got drafted to a class organization that developed players properly. Also Spo was a bum coach his first year and needed to go learn how to coach an offense from a goddamn college football coach in the 2011 off-season LMFAO. Y'all really don't Know ball if these are the takes you're falling for when Jokic has the best roster and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Same casuals who fell for the propaganda that Jordan was the best player who will ever live when he dominated in a trash era and similarly had the best roster and coaching staff in the league. Call me when Jokic beats comp and had to do it without all these crutches the way LeBron took flawed 2012, 2013, and 2016 casts to the chip and then won one with average Vogel coaching in 2020

I doubt that you can count but anyway I make a list

Those players was all in theirs prime

At cavs first stint
He played prime Iglauskas an all-star
Then prime larry hughes all-star an all-defence
Carlos Boozer was run and saved himself
Mo williams all-star
Antawan Jamisson all-star

At miami

Dwayne Wade all-nba, fmvp, all-star
Chris bosh all-naba etc etc
Ray Allen (actually not in his prime but won a ring )

at cavs second stint

Kyrie Irving all-nba
Kevin Love all-nba
Isaiah thomas all-nba 5th in mvp

At lakers

Brondon İngram
Julius Randle
Davis
Westbrook

Could you count it this, moron ? They are all in their primes or near theirs prime.

Maybe you cant, this need to has some proficency. 15 player all of them in their prime or one or two year away in their prime.

All of them except Ray allen was all-star nearby.

Could you say that for Jokic?

And Mike Malone not a good coach, Jokic make seems him as a good coach, like every player plays with him.

Lmfaoooo so you quoted a bunch of guys who didn't make the all Star team with LeBron and labeled them as all stars? Vs Jokic playing with an entire lineup of elite 2-way players and one of the best coaches in the league. Mike Malone has been a good coach for over a decade plus. Ask Kings fans how they felt about him during the Boogie Cousins era

[Handlez]

Jokic has a better 2-way supporting cast plus coaching staff than LeBron has ever had outside of 2013 pre-Wade injury, and hasn't displayed anywhere near that kind of dominance; nor has he beaten any notably tough teams as of yet.

2020 is the only other supporting cast that was comparable talent-wise even though the Nuggets coaching staff is better overall, and the Lakers stomped their way to the #1 overall seed. Then they dominated en-route to a chip vs a tough slate of Western conference teams without getting to enjoy any of their homecourt advantage.

Jokic is going to have to do better than smoking some weak teams with the best supporting cast and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Wait...are you saying Jokic has had more help than super team hopping LeBron?

Oh no.

Unfortunately for LeBron none of those super teams actually managed to stay healthy or find good role players. Unlike the insane lineup Jokic has flanking him right now.

"Insane lineup" featuring zero all star players .

Imagine having players like Battier, Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Haslem, etc...off the BENCH.

[ChipotleWest]

Let's see what he does this playoffs. I know everything is looking perfect right now, but it's just against the same Lakers his team swept last year. I want to see him lead his team through Wolves, OKC or Mavs, and then probably Boston. I do not think the Nuggets have a very tough path last year to a championship.

[Handlez]

this is some kind of joke ??????

do you know how many all-star, all nba, all defensive, hall of fame player has lebron played with in his career ?
Even his rookie season he has all-star team mate ?

How many has he played with all those at the same time in their primes moron? And how many times has he played with a great supporting cast AND a top 5 coaching staff in the league LMFAO. Only in 2013 and then Wade got injured.

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

LeBron left Miami as soon as Wade got injured/or at least fell off from superstar status.

They would've retooled around him, but he didn't wait because he had young superstar level talent in Cleveland.

[jehosafats]

I think it deserves his own thread

Jokic is more efficient, more clutch, better teammate, doesn't get refs' calls ( he could have won in 2020 ), and he is better with his attitude.

I don't see where Lebron is better , except for media hype...

No, no and probably never.

Your thread is bad and you should feel bad.

How is this thread bad?

Are you pretending LeBron is untouchable? He's not that guy. Jokic has a great argument over him.

Jokic is that good.

[Sofia]

OP making a tantrum thread because someone asked if Jokic was better than Kobe 20 minutes earlier

[Zadeh]

Oh so now we're moving the goalposts, good one casual. Btw genius, if LeBron stayed the heat would've lost both Bosh and Wade with no avenue to retool due to cap space constraints. Jokic is lucky he got drafted to a class organization that developed players properly. Also Spo was a bum coach his first year and needed to go learn how to coach an offense from a goddamn college football coach in the 2011 off-season LMFAO. Y'all really don't Know ball if these are the takes you're falling for when Jokic has the best roster and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Same casuals who fell for the propaganda that Jordan was the best player who will ever live when he dominated in a trash era and similarly had the best roster and coaching staff in the league. Call me when Jokic beats comp and had to do it without all these crutches the way LeBron took flawed 2012, 2013, and 2016 casts to the chip and then won one with average Vogel coaching in 2020

I doubt that you can count but anyway I make a list

Those players was all in theirs prime

At cavs first stint
He played prime Iglauskas an all-star
Then prime larry hughes all-star an all-defence
Carlos Boozer was run and saved himself
Mo williams all-star
Antawan Jamisson all-star

At miami

Dwayne Wade all-nba, fmvp, all-star
Chris bosh all-naba etc etc
Ray Allen (actually not in his prime but won a ring )

at cavs second stint

Kyrie Irving all-nba
Kevin Love all-nba
Isaiah thomas all-nba 5th in mvp

At lakers

Brondon İngram
Julius Randle
Davis
Westbrook

Could you count it this, moron ? They are all in their primes or near theirs prime.

Maybe you cant, this need to has some proficency. 15 player all of them in their prime or one or two year away in their prime.

All of them except Ray allen was all-star nearby.

Could you say that for Jokic?

And Mike Malone not a good coach, Jokic make seems him as a good coach, like every player plays with him.

Lmfaoooo so you quoted a bunch of guys who didn't make the all Star team with LeBron and labeled them as all stars? Vs Jokic playing with an entire lineup of elite 2-way players and one of the best coaches in the league. Mike Malone has been a good coach for over a decade plus. Ask Kings fans how they felt about him during the Boogie Cousins era

There is a site that called basketball reference.
Maybe you should check it before show your ignorance. Actually I forgot Ray Allen also all-star in two year span.

Iglauskas, mo williams, Wade, Bosh, Irving, love, davis All-star with lebron.

All of other player was all-star in at least two year span.

[Handlez]

How many has he played with all those at the same time in their primes moron? And how many times has he played with a great supporting cast AND a top 5 coaching staff in the league LMFAO. Only in 2013 and then Wade got injured.

Guess what, Murray and MPJ were injured a lot. But Jokic stayed.
LeBron chose his teammates, colluded with the 2nd and 4th players ranked by efficiency rating the previous season, played for maybe the best coach (Spo) for an amazing organization (Heat). But then chose to leave. So everything is on him. No excuses.

Oh so now we're moving the goalposts, good one casual. Btw genius, if LeBron stayed the heat would've lost both Bosh and Wade with no avenue to retool due to cap space constraints. Jokic is lucky he got drafted to a class organization that developed players properly. Also Spo was a bum coach his first year and needed to go learn how to coach an offense from a goddamn college football coach in the 2011 off-season LMFAO. Y'all really don't Know ball if these are the takes you're falling for when Jokic has the best roster and arguable best coaching staff in the league.

Same casuals who fell for the propaganda that Jordan was the best player who will ever live when he dominated in a trash era and similarly had the best roster and coaching staff in the league. Call me when Jokic beats comp and had to do it without all these crutches the way LeBron took flawed 2012, 2013, and 2016 casts to the chip and then won one with average Vogel coaching in 2020

So now Jokic has the best roster and best coaching staff.

Wow.

Amazing how winning a title turns everyone involved with it into something they're not.

Jokic is feeding everyone in that organization.