Cubbies2120 wrote:lessthanjake wrote:Godymas wrote:
Jamal Murray is an All Star level teammate. Just because he never got the official nod doesn't change that all his counting and advanced numbers point to him being an All Star level teammate. Did you watch what Jamal Murray did in the bubble when Jokic completely shrank? Jokic kept getting into foul trouble in the playoffs vs LA.
Russell Westbrook took a G-league roster to the playoffs with 47 wins, look at that roster, none of the big names were good back then.
Taking an awful team to the playoffs is the norm for ANY superstar player, this isn't some insane achievement that only Jokic has done. I'm sure you can look at every year and see a team make the playoffs with a solid 40ish wins that had no business being there. Lebron took the 2007 Cavs to the NBA Finals, go look at that roster, the team was literal trash.
There’s really no comparison between the supporting cast of the 2022 Nuggets and the supporting cast of the 2017 Thunder. Like it’s not even close. The 2017 Thunder were not a great team, but they had solid players. It was not even close to a “G-league roster.” It was filled with guys who have had long, quality careers in the NBA. And it even had a guy who went to a different team the next year and finished 13th in MVP voting. Sure, guys like Grant and Sabonis weren’t at their best yet, but that team was really quite a lot better than the 2022 Nuggets. The 2022 Nuggets’ supporting cast was basically Aaron Gordon + a bunch of guys who were borderline NBA players at best. It’s not even close. Nor is it anywhere close to the 2007 Cavs supporting cast either. Ilgauskas and Hughes were good players! And the team was filled with solid role players. Guys like Gooden and Varejao were good role players! Was the 2007 Cavs team a weak supporting cast by normal standards? Certainly yes. But the 2022 Nuggets were just a different level of bad from what we are used to even contemplating. They were off-the-charts bad. You shouldn’t just look at other players’ supporting casts that you generally consider bad and handwave at it and act like it’s similar. It’s not. Granted, taking an absolutely awful team to the playoffs is not that huge an achievement, for the simple reason that making the playoffs isn’t all that important by itself. But we should at least recognize the difficulty of it, even if it doesn’t really matter much.
Ignore him - he's just baiting and trolling at this point. I was out walking the dogs when i read the part about:Jamal Murray is an All Star level teammate. Just because he never got the official nod doesn't change that all his counting and advanced numbers point to him being an All Star level teammate.
Ah yes, a guy who has a career WS/48 of .106 is an all-star level teammate. Last year, Murray carried a WS/48 of .116 and a BPM of 1.3 which is in line with what a 22 year old Tyrese Maxey was doing as a 3rd/4th option in Philly (.117 WS/48, 2.2 BPM) - and that's Jokic's best teammate.
Gody and the rest of the Embiid stans don't want to admit that Jokic is literally a one man unit raising his teammates to levels they'd never achieve without Jokic basically cosplaying as both Magic and Kareem (in the words of the legendary James Worthy).
They see a game winning shot and think "hur dur he's an all star!" without realizing that the game winning shot was needed because Murray couldn't hit a bucket all game and put them in the situation.
Also referencing the Lakers series is laughable seeing as how Jokic literally got mauled left and right with no calls except in Game 2 where he shot like 10. So of course they'll use that series where Jokic had 5 fouls in 3 games and 4 fouls in the other 2 games - a series where officiating beyond a measure of doubt favored the Lakers as the one and only playoff failure of Jokic's career. Otherwise, he's in pantheon of GOATs as he raises his game to another level in the playoffs only to be let down by teammates time-after-time.
you know your argument is really bad when you have to use career WS/48 and quote last seasons #s. Why don't you quote Jamal Murray's WS/48 this season? How about in the playoffs last year?