PLAYOFF HARDEN

[NBA4Lyfe]

I mean, it's true

The best players on his team constantly don't show up either, kinda hard to fault James for that.

Embiid last year was 5/17 with a 15/8 statline, the MVP in that Game 7

18 the year you all hate on him, Paul didn't even play Game 7, Harden still put up 30+ went 5/7 in the 4th. His team got blown out in the 3rd where his roleplayers went 0-11 from 3

Other than those years, what has been the expectation, that he single handedly beat the Warriors, the 2nd greatest team in the history of the sport? With Trevor Ariza and Eric Gordon as his running makes?

Not everyone has the luxury of playing with Wade, Kyrie, and AD and other HoFers at every stop

First off, Harden shot 2/13 from deep in that game you’re specifying. You can cherry pick numbers if you want but make no mistake: he was awful in that game.

Second, what, playing with KD, Russ, CP3, Embiid (no, I don’t care how bad Embiid was in those games… Harden scored 13 and 9 in the last two games of that series, he was just as much at fault) and George isn’t in of itself a luxury? Pretty sure these guys are all also going to be hall of famers. Harden has been in far more favorable situations than LeBron and this isn’t up for debate. To even try to claim his teammates are at fault for his failures is peak comedy.

listen to yourself, you like 99% of nba casuals dont make any sense.. On one hand you saying james harden sucks and is not a 1st or 2nd option. And thats proven by harden not making an all-nba or the all-star team the past 4 years. So how on earth are you gonna sit here and blame the NON-allstar player more than the actual current all-star in embiid/pg13. See how you cant even make a logical argument without it falling apart. You cant say harden is the reason that his teams are losing when all-star teammates that he is playing and who are much more responsible for the outcome when it comes to wins and losses get no slander

you are giving embiid/paul george a pass and both are considered far better players than what harden is today.. In fact the ringer and cbs had harden outside their top 50 player rankings.. so you are in essence blaming a player who aint even top 50.. according to the nba media voters.

[maradro]

I used to think hardens disappearing acts were because of dantoni/high usage/heliocentric style.. but the same keeps happening everywhere he goes, even when he has other stars next to him. Iirc he's choked in the playoffs with every team he's been on.
The worst part is that he checks out, other stars have bad games but harden stops competing. He's a great player, great vision and iq, but he's a poor competitor.

[Iwasawitness]

I mean, it's true

The best players on his team constantly don't show up either, kinda hard to fault James for that.

Embiid last year was 5/17 with a 15/8 statline, the MVP in that Game 7

18 the year you all hate on him, Paul didn't even play Game 7, Harden still put up 30+ went 5/7 in the 4th. His team got blown out in the 3rd where his roleplayers went 0-11 from 3

Other than those years, what has been the expectation, that he single handedly beat the Warriors, the 2nd greatest team in the history of the sport? With Trevor Ariza and Eric Gordon as his running makes?

Not everyone has the luxury of playing with Wade, Kyrie, and AD and other HoFers at every stop

First off, Harden shot 2/13 from deep in that game you’re specifying. You can cherry pick numbers if you want but make no mistake: he was awful in that game.

Second, what, playing with KD, Russ, CP3, Embiid (no, I don’t care how bad Embiid was in those games… Harden scored 13 and 9 in the last two games of that series, he was just as much at fault) and George isn’t in of itself a luxury? Pretty sure these guys are all also going to be hall of famers. Harden has been in far more favorable situations than LeBron and this isn’t up for debate. To even try to claim his teammates are at fault for his failures is peak comedy.

listen to yourself, you like 99% of nba casuals dont make any sense.. On one hand you saying james harden sucks and is not a 1st or 2nd option. And thats proven by harden not making an all-nba or the all-star team the past 4 years. So how on earth are you gonna sit here and blame the NON-allstar player more than the actual current all-star in embiid/pg13. See how you cant even make a logical argument without it falling apart. You cant say harden is the reason that his teams are losing when all-star teammates that he is playing and who are much more responsible for the outcome when it comes to wins and losses get no slander

you are giving embiid/paul george a pass and both are considered far better players than what harden is today.. In fact the ringer and cbs had harden outside their top 50 player rankings.. so you are in essence blaming a player who aint even top 50.. according to the nba media voters.

You just got done claiming Hardens later series struggles are due to asthma. I don’t have any reason at this point to read your replies. This post probably contains information just as ridiculous. You have no credibility. You’ve lost it all.

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As someone who has had severe asthma my entire life, I can tell you first hand that is not how it works...

"the asthma game"

7 points and still destroying the mavs.. was beating that ass so much made luka start crying about injuries and being sick haha. Reminds me of when the media would claim steph curry had a hurt wrist/knee/ankle anytime he played like crap in the playoffs..

wait so luka goes from being praised for his defense in game 2 and 3 by bill simmons/tim legler/jason timpf, and their ilk to crying about injuries and being sick a game later haha

aye man yall can stay over on that side with the weak excuse making athletes.. harden would never make excuses about the garbage refs and the nba media being againist him even though he would have tons of proof to make a case. meanwhile you got overrated bums like jaylen brown crying their way too all-nba selections.. yall can keep this league, it aint worth nothing, and yall are gonna see that when these david stern guys like durant, lebron, curry, harden, kawhi all of em gon be gone and the nba is going to be what the mlb is today lol

What are you even rambling about? Harden had 7 points and still destroyed the Mavs? WHAT???

Are you aware LAC lost by 30 or no?

Also, Legler is one of the rare NBA analysts who ACTUALLY goes deep into tactics, others like SAS or Perkins, etc.. just scream at the moon all the time with basic box score stats. Since you're accusing everyone of not knowing anything about basketball, talking **** about Legler and how Harden dominated Mavs with 7 points, in fact just proves how detached from reality you are.

[NBA4Lyfe]

"the asthma game"

7 points and still destroying the mavs.. was beating that ass so much made luka start crying about injuries and being sick haha. Reminds me of when the media would claim steph curry had a hurt wrist/knee/ankle anytime he played like crap in the playoffs..

wait so luka goes from being praised for his defense in game 2 and 3 by bill simmons/tim legler/jason timpf, and their ilk to crying about injuries and being sick a game later haha

aye man yall can stay over on that side with the weak excuse making athletes.. harden would never make excuses about the garbage refs and the nba media being againist him even though he would have tons of proof to make a case. meanwhile you got overrated bums like jaylen brown crying their way too all-nba selections.. yall can keep this league, it aint worth nothing, and yall are gonna see that when these david stern guys like durant, lebron, curry, harden, kawhi all of em gon be gone and the nba is going to be what the mlb is today lol

What are you even rambling about? Harden had 7 points and still destroyed the Mavs? WHAT???

Are you aware LAC lost by 30 or no?

Also, Legler is one of the rare NBA analysts who ACTUALLY goes deep into tactics, others like SAS or Perkins, etc.. just scream at the moon all the time with basic box score stats. Since you're accusing everyone of not knowing anything about basketball, talking **** about Legler and how Harden dominated Mavs with 7 points, in fact just proves how detached from reality you are.

harden had 7 points and is still by far the best player in this series going in game 6 tonight.. thats how overrated luka has been this series

and legler is trash, i promise you if the clippers win tonight you wont see no post game film analysis from him and if the clippers comeback and somehow win this series, you wont see him on tv until possibly the nba finals.. legler is a coward

[NBA4Lyfe]

First off, Harden shot 2/13 from deep in that game you’re specifying. You can cherry pick numbers if you want but make no mistake: he was awful in that game.

Second, what, playing with KD, Russ, CP3, Embiid (no, I don’t care how bad Embiid was in those games… Harden scored 13 and 9 in the last two games of that series, he was just as much at fault) and George isn’t in of itself a luxury? Pretty sure these guys are all also going to be hall of famers. Harden has been in far more favorable situations than LeBron and this isn’t up for debate. To even try to claim his teammates are at fault for his failures is peak comedy.

listen to yourself, you like 99% of nba casuals dont make any sense.. On one hand you saying james harden sucks and is not a 1st or 2nd option. And thats proven by harden not making an all-nba or the all-star team the past 4 years. So how on earth are you gonna sit here and blame the NON-allstar player more than the actual current all-star in embiid/pg13. See how you cant even make a logical argument without it falling apart. You cant say harden is the reason that his teams are losing when all-star teammates that he is playing and who are much more responsible for the outcome when it comes to wins and losses get no slander

you are giving embiid/paul george a pass and both are considered far better players than what harden is today.. In fact the ringer and cbs had harden outside their top 50 player rankings.. so you are in essence blaming a player who aint even top 50.. according to the nba media voters.

You just got done claiming Hardens later series struggles are due to asthma. I don’t have any reason at this point to read your replies. This post probably contains information just as ridiculous. You have no credibility. You’ve lost it all.

cbs and the ringer had harden outside their top 50 player rankings. embiid and pg13 were ranked several tiers above harden. So why is hardens feet being held to the fire and not the supposed better players he is playing with

[Crunch 99]

Harden lovers are non stop, even after **** the bed.

He was the worst player in his team yesterday, and that's including westbrook's 2-11 shooting night. No excuse, he can't consistenly carry his team, and that's not an offense, few stars can do this. Harden simply isn't that level of superstar, of top 5 in the league, and that's ok.

No, the worst player on his team was Kawhi Leonard, who didn't suit up for this game and many other playoff games while he has been a Clipper. It's true that Harden's game sometimes isn't working, but at least he suits up for every game and competes, including not infrequently being the best player in some playoff game wins.

[Archx]

7 points and still destroying the mavs.. was beating that ass so much made luka start crying about injuries and being sick haha. Reminds me of when the media would claim steph curry had a hurt wrist/knee/ankle anytime he played like crap in the playoffs..

wait so luka goes from being praised for his defense in game 2 and 3 by bill simmons/tim legler/jason timpf, and their ilk to crying about injuries and being sick a game later haha

aye man yall can stay over on that side with the weak excuse making athletes.. harden would never make excuses about the garbage refs and the nba media being againist him even though he would have tons of proof to make a case. meanwhile you got overrated bums like jaylen brown crying their way too all-nba selections.. yall can keep this league, it aint worth nothing, and yall are gonna see that when these david stern guys like durant, lebron, curry, harden, kawhi all of em gon be gone and the nba is going to be what the mlb is today lol

What are you even rambling about? Harden had 7 points and still destroyed the Mavs? WHAT???

Are you aware LAC lost by 30 or no?

Also, Legler is one of the rare NBA analysts who ACTUALLY goes deep into tactics, others like SAS or Perkins, etc.. just scream at the moon all the time with basic box score stats. Since you're accusing everyone of not knowing anything about basketball, talking **** about Legler and how Harden dominated Mavs with 7 points, in fact just proves how detached from reality you are.

harden had 7 points and is still by far the best player in this series going in game 6 tonight.. thats how overrated luka has been this series

Why do you post nonsense like this? Do you want to be embarrassed even more or what?

[Iwasawitness]

listen to yourself, you like 99% of nba casuals dont make any sense.. On one hand you saying james harden sucks and is not a 1st or 2nd option. And thats proven by harden not making an all-nba or the all-star team the past 4 years. So how on earth are you gonna sit here and blame the NON-allstar player more than the actual current all-star in embiid/pg13. See how you cant even make a logical argument without it falling apart. You cant say harden is the reason that his teams are losing when all-star teammates that he is playing and who are much more responsible for the outcome when it comes to wins and losses get no slander

you are giving embiid/paul george a pass and both are considered far better players than what harden is today.. In fact the ringer and cbs had harden outside their top 50 player rankings.. so you are in essence blaming a player who aint even top 50.. according to the nba media voters.

You just got done claiming Hardens later series struggles are due to asthma. I don’t have any reason at this point to read your replies. This post probably contains information just as ridiculous. You have no credibility. You’ve lost it all.

cbs and the ringer had harden outside their top 50 player rankings. embiid and pg13 were ranked several tiers above harden. So why is hardens feet being held to the fire and not the supposed better players he is playing with

Okay, I‘ll humor you.

You just got done saying that Harden was the best player going into game 6 (which is false btw). Now all of a sudden he’s not the best player in the series. So which is it?

As for the rest of your post…

Embiid isn’t playing in this series. And he got his fair share of criticism too. There’s literally a thread saying the 76ers should move on from him, even though he won MVP a year ago and just had a 50 point game on a hobbled leg. I don’t think anyone is pretending that George hasn’t been worse than Harden. Hell I’m pretty sure he had a 7 point DUD too.

The problem here is that with Harden, it’s become the expectation, because it’s all he does. Even if he manages to start out great, as the series goes on it all goes away. As someone else mentioned, Harden now owns a record pertaining to poor playoff performances. At some point we expect this to change but it never does. It more so becomes a point of why are teams continuing to rely on him when he CLEARLY can’t be relied on? Everyone is going to have poor playoff performances and series. LeBron and MJ have both had these. But when you continue to have games that are bad on a legendary scale, they deserve to be pointed out.

Don’t try to make this about others. That’s weak af. And don’t try to blame Hardens asthma either. That’s just pathetic. Own up to the fact that Harden is a playoff choker and always has been.

[NBA4Lyfe]

What are you even rambling about? Harden had 7 points and still destroyed the Mavs? WHAT???

Are you aware LAC lost by 30 or no?

Also, Legler is one of the rare NBA analysts who ACTUALLY goes deep into tactics, others like SAS or Perkins, etc.. just scream at the moon all the time with basic box score stats. Since you're accusing everyone of not knowing anything about basketball, talking **** about Legler and how Harden dominated Mavs with 7 points, in fact just proves how detached from reality you are.

harden had 7 points and is still by far the best player in this series going in game 6 tonight.. thats how overrated luka has been this series

Why do you post nonsense like this? Do you want to be embarrassed even more or what?

embarrassed so much like luka that the dallas media forced him to claim to be injured/sick. The same luka who btw was lauded as this all-world defender after game 2 and 3

[NBA4Lyfe]

You just got done claiming Hardens later series struggles are due to asthma. I don’t have any reason at this point to read your replies. This post probably contains information just as ridiculous. You have no credibility. You’ve lost it all.

cbs and the ringer had harden outside their top 50 player rankings. embiid and pg13 were ranked several tiers above harden. So why is hardens feet being held to the fire and not the supposed better players he is playing with

Okay, I‘ll humor you.

You just got done saying that Harden was the best player going into game 6 (which is false btw). Now all of a sudden he’s not the best player in the series. So which is it?

As for the rest of your post…

Embiid isn’t playing in this series. And he got his fair share of criticism too. There’s literally a thread saying the 76ers should move on from him, even though he won MVP a year ago and just had a 50 point game on a hobbled leg. I don’t think anyone is pretending that George hasn’t been worse than Harden. Hell I’m pretty sure he had a 7 point DUD too.

The problem here is that with Harden, it’s become the expectation, because it’s all he does. Even if he manages to start out great, as the series goes on it all goes away. As someone else mentioned, Harden now owns a record pertaining to poor playoff performances. At some point we expect this to change but it never does. It more so becomes a point of why are teams continuing to rely on him when he CLEARLY can’t be relied on? Everyone is going to have poor playoff performances and series. LeBron and MJ have both had these. But when you continue to have games that are bad on a legendary scale, they deserve to be pointed out.

Don’t try to make this about others. That’s weak af. And don’t try to blame Hardens asthma either. That’s just pathetic. Own up to the fact that Harden is a playoff choker and always has been.

harden is clearly the best overall player in this series.. using advanced stats

and ive been keeping the subject on harden, you are the one who brought up hardens teammates.. so i had to check you on that

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harden had 7 points and is still by far the best player in this series going in game 6 tonight.. thats how overrated luka has been this series

Why do you post nonsense like this? Do you want to be embarrassed even more or what?

embarrassed so much like luka that the dallas media forced him to claim to be injured/sick. The same luka who btw was lauded as this all-world defender after game 2 and 3

He's playing amazing defense in this series apart from game 4 maybe.

This is from game 5 for example.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Clippers were 3-of-12 from the floor when Doncic was the primary defender in Game 5, including 0-of-7 from 3-point range.

Has +12.6 On rating and +45.5 On/Off.......... So, show me how is he not playing good defense or whatever you're trying to claim here?

I rather not compare his stats to Harden because apart from shooting %'s, like i said, it will be embarrassing.

Read on Twitter

But hey, there is still game 6 and maybe game 7, Harden still has time.

[tcheco]

Harden lovers are non stop, even after **** the bed.

He was the worst player in his team yesterday, and that's including westbrook's 2-11 shooting night. No excuse, he can't consistenly carry his team, and that's not an offense, few stars can do this. Harden simply isn't that level of superstar, of top 5 in the league, and that's ok.

No, the worst player on his team was Kawhi Leonard, who didn't suit up for this game and many other playoff games while he has been a Clipper. It's true that Harden's game sometimes isn't working, but at least he suits up for every game and competes, including not infrequently being the best player in some playoff game wins.

sure why not

[NBA4Lyfe]

Why do you post nonsense like this? Do you want to be embarrassed even more or what?

embarrassed so much like luka that the dallas media forced him to claim to be injured/sick. The same luka who btw was lauded as this all-world defender after game 2 and 3

He's playing amazing defense in this series apart from game 4 maybe.

This is from game 5 for example.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Clippers were 3-of-12 from the floor when Doncic was the primary defender in Game 5, including 0-of-7 from 3-point range.

Has +12.6 On rating and +45.5 On/Off.......... So, show me how is he not playing good defense or whatever you're trying to claim here?

I rather not compare his stats to Harden because apart from shooting %'s, like i said, it will be embarrassing.

Read on Twitter

But hey, there is still game 6 and maybe game 7, Harden still has time.

luka is playing great defense the question is where and on who.. harden is having an insane playoffs out of isolation, and paul george is also currently sporting a 1.23 ppp out of iso as well

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embarrassed so much like luka that the dallas media forced him to claim to be injured/sick. The same luka who btw was lauded as this all-world defender after game 2 and 3

He's playing amazing defense in this series apart from game 4 maybe.

This is from game 5 for example.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Clippers were 3-of-12 from the floor when Doncic was the primary defender in Game 5, including 0-of-7 from 3-point range.

Has +12.6 On rating and +45.5 On/Off.......... So, show me how is he not playing good defense or whatever you're trying to claim here?

I rather not compare his stats to Harden because apart from shooting %'s, like i said, it will be embarrassing.

Read on Twitter

But hey, there is still game 6 and maybe game 7, Harden still has time.

luka is playing great defense the question is where and on who.. harden is having an insane playoffs out of isolation, and paul george is also currently sporting a 1.23 ppp out of iso as well

First you said Luka is playing trash defense and now you claim he is playing good defense but on who? I just gave you stats lol...

So, now you're switching to who is a better scorer or what? You said Harden has been the best player in this series but suddenly you're switching to scoring. Why bringing up points out of isos? That won't show you who has been the best player so far....

Impact wise, Luka blows Harden and PG13 out of the water. That's simply a fact, you have ZERO arguments to argue against that. Game 6 or potentially game 7 could still change that, but right now, it is what it is. Also, people have eyes and they know what they see. But we're asking you what games are you watching?

[DonaldSanders]

"the asthma game"

This is hilarious, where did you find this? If I was drinking coffee I would have spit it all out the moment I saw this.

[Iwasawitness]

cbs and the ringer had harden outside their top 50 player rankings. embiid and pg13 were ranked several tiers above harden. So why is hardens feet being held to the fire and not the supposed better players he is playing with

Okay, I‘ll humor you.

You just got done saying that Harden was the best player going into game 6 (which is false btw). Now all of a sudden he’s not the best player in the series. So which is it?

As for the rest of your post…

Embiid isn’t playing in this series. And he got his fair share of criticism too. There’s literally a thread saying the 76ers should move on from him, even though he won MVP a year ago and just had a 50 point game on a hobbled leg. I don’t think anyone is pretending that George hasn’t been worse than Harden. Hell I’m pretty sure he had a 7 point DUD too.

The problem here is that with Harden, it’s become the expectation, because it’s all he does. Even if he manages to start out great, as the series goes on it all goes away. As someone else mentioned, Harden now owns a record pertaining to poor playoff performances. At some point we expect this to change but it never does. It more so becomes a point of why are teams continuing to rely on him when he CLEARLY can’t be relied on? Everyone is going to have poor playoff performances and series. LeBron and MJ have both had these. But when you continue to have games that are bad on a legendary scale, they deserve to be pointed out.

Don’t try to make this about others. That’s weak af. And don’t try to blame Hardens asthma either. That’s just pathetic. Own up to the fact that Harden is a playoff choker and always has been.

harden is clearly the best overall player in this series.. using advanced stats

and ive been keeping the subject on harden, you are the one who brought up hardens teammates.. so i had to check you on that

No I’m not. That was in response to someone else who did. Try keeping up.

[NBA4Lyfe]

He's playing amazing defense in this series apart from game 4 maybe.

This is from game 5 for example.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Clippers were 3-of-12 from the floor when Doncic was the primary defender in Game 5, including 0-of-7 from 3-point range.

Has +12.6 On rating and +45.5 On/Off.......... So, show me how is he not playing good defense or whatever you're trying to claim here?

I rather not compare his stats to Harden because apart from shooting %'s, like i said, it will be embarrassing.

Read on Twitter

But hey, there is still game 6 and maybe game 7, Harden still has time.

luka is playing great defense the question is where and on who.. harden is having an insane playoffs out of isolation, and paul george is also currently sporting a 1.23 ppp out of iso as well

First you said Luka is playing trash defense and now you claim he is playing good defense but on who? I just gave you stats lol...

So, now you're switching to who is a better scorer or what? You said Harden has been the best player in this series but suddenly you're switching to scoring. Why bringing up points out of isos? That won't show you who has been the best player so far....

Impact wise, Luka blows Harden and PG13 out of the water. That's simply a fact, you have ZERO arguments to argue against that. Game 6 or potentially game 7 could still change that, but right now, it is what it is. Also, people have eyes and they know what they see. But we're asking you what games are you watching?

unless the nba website is fabricating numbers.. your graph is wrong

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?SeasonType=Playoffs

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luka is playing great defense the question is where and on who.. harden is having an insane playoffs out of isolation, and paul george is also currently sporting a 1.23 ppp out of iso as well

First you said Luka is playing trash defense and now you claim he is playing good defense but on who? I just gave you stats lol...

So, now you're switching to who is a better scorer or what? You said Harden has been the best player in this series but suddenly you're switching to scoring. Why bringing up points out of isos? That won't show you who has been the best player so far....

Impact wise, Luka blows Harden and PG13 out of the water. That's simply a fact, you have ZERO arguments to argue against that. Game 6 or potentially game 7 could still change that, but right now, it is what it is. Also, people have eyes and they know what they see. But we're asking you what games are you watching?

unless the nba website is fabricating numbers.. your graph is wrong

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?SeasonType=Playoffs

It's not wrong, this is the correct link. You'll see it perfectly matches to what the twitter post says.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629029/defense-dash?SeasonType=Playoffs

[CometGM]

Come on OP, have you not seen this movie before?