Why are Anthony Edwards impact metrics so poor relative to his hype?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Sample size!!!!!

[Metin91]

ANT's comparable is Jalen Williams in case yall forgot

OKC fans never cease to amaze

[Baseline81]

ANT's comparable is Jalen Williams in case yall forgot

OKC fans never cease to amaze

Quite possibly the most head-scratching post (and subsequent posts) of 2024. Congrats to the two OKC fans who care more about advanced stats than watching the game.

[web123888]

I was curious about that myself. Why is his PER so terrible for a purported superstar?

Not currently in the playoffs where it’s amazing and superstar level, but regular season.

[Pharmcat]

Goes to show analytics are just bs

[baldur]

**** metrics. Watching him play basketball is giving me orgasm.

[MoneyTalks41890]

ANT's comparable is Jalen Williams in case yall forgot

OKC fans never cease to amaze

Quite possibly the most head-scratching post (and subsequent posts) of 2024. Congrats to the two OKC fans who care more about advanced stats than watching the game.

Yes those tricky advanced stats like regular season shooting percentages.

[LakerLegend]

Basketball isn't played on a spreadsheet.

[Metin91]

ANT's comparable is Jalen Williams in case yall forgot

OKC fans never cease to amaze

Quite possibly the most head-scratching post (and subsequent posts) of 2024. Congrats to the two OKC fans who care more about advanced stats than watching the game.

Yes those tricky advanced stats like regular season shooting percentages.

ANT saw more doubles tonight than Jalen Williams has in his career

Back to the spreadsheet

[Dadouv47]

ANT's comparable is Jalen Williams in case yall forgot

OKC fans never cease to amaze

ANT is a tier above but Jalen Williams is likely the second best american young guard so it's not like they compared ANT to a bad player.

[life_saver]

I was curious about that myself. Why is his PER so terrible for a purported superstar?

Not currently in the playoffs where it’s amazing and superstar level, but regular season.

Some points were already mentioned earlier in the thread. First thing..Ant's numbers in RS aren't terrible..I mean they are pretty damn good, probably top15 or top20 level. Thing is in games against bad teams, Ant sometimes is just being content on court and lets other players take the load scoring wise. Also he tries lot of fancy stuff during RS...there was a phase this season where he was obsessed with bank shots and was shooting it just for sake of fun, was even attempting 3 pt bank shot attempts. Some of this stuff brings down his efficiency, numbers. But when he is fully locked in , then you could see same stuff even in those RS games too

[MrGoat]

I was curious about that myself. Why is his PER so terrible for a purported superstar?

Not currently in the playoffs where it’s amazing and superstar level, but regular season.

PER always discriminates against shooting guards who don't put up the rebounding numbers of a center and/or the assist numbers of a point guard especially if they're the type that sometimes just has to take bad shots. PER is largely just a glorified counting stats measure and I've always considered it a flawed metric, especially when evaluating 2 guards

[Shaka_Zulu]

**** metrics. Watching him play basketball is giving me orgasm.

[ShootersShoot]

Face of the league. Superstar. Best SG in the league. Things I’m seeing a lot right now. He’s basically the league darling right now. People talk about him like he’s the next Jordan. You even have insane people trying to partake in revisionist history and saying he’s in the same tier this season as Luka and SGA.

But something I find odd is he’s not well liked by impact metrics. SGA and Luka for example are .250-.270 WS/48 players which is HOF/MVP tier. Ant is at .130, which is literally not even all star tier basically. Normally players at that level are high end starters, to low end all stars. .100 is a league average player, .150 area is typically an all star, .200 is a superstar, .250-.300 is usually a first ballot HOF/Multiple time MVP (guys like MJ, Jokic, Wilt, LeBron, KG etc).

EPM has SGA and Luka at #2 and #3 for example with 8.8 and 7.9. Edwards is at 4.2 which is ranked 22nd in the league after guys like FVV. Why is his hype/reputation so much better than his impact metrics?

What metrics are we talking about here? EPM? Could someone even explain what that metric trying to say and how they arrive at it? Why is Hartenstein rank 14 ahead of Tatum, Lillard, Fox, and Davis? How do you explain Ant rank 22, Gobert at 44, and Towns at 50 managed to have the 3rd best record in the Western conference just one game behind OKC? If your metric is telling you Ant is closer to Jalen William instead of SGA, it's time to look for something else.

We all know Ant is a work in progress with super physique. He has gotten much better as the season progress until the incredible performance in the playoffs. His 3pt shooting took a deep dive after dislocating his figure on a dunk. Also general bang up the last couple months. You can see the trend in the game logs. Look at the season as a whole, he is a top 20 player with the potential to be top 10 (or top 5) next year.

So if you want to build around Hartenstein, I am sure the NYK will be willing to trade him to OKC for Holmgren + 2 1st. I will stick with building around the low EPM Ant.

If a metric is saying FVV is ranked higher than edwards, would the correct question be why is edwards less impactful than FVV, or should the question be is this stat or metric flawed to the point where it would rank fvv higher than edwards?

[Raps in 4]

They're not. +4.2 EPM is elite, and he's been a monster in the playoffs (10+ BPM this postseason and last).

[Mamba81p]

Because basketball is played on the court and not on an Excel spreadsheet.

Sure, eye test is very important. But so is the hard data that isn’t swayed by flashy highlights, or scoring outbursts alone. I’m specifically asking why the data that emphasizes all around impact doesn’t like him.

Yes, data is important, but most of the data we have access to is crap, and WS is in that category. teams don't use that stat to evaluate players.

[CBS7]

To the smug 'f MeTrIcS' crowd, yall know his metrics are way up in the playoffs, as well as his raw stats, and he's also visibly elevated his game?

Like, he didn't play like that all year. But he did last years playoffs even they his team lost. Has the makings of a guy who saves it for the playoffs.

And I'm a huge Ant man fan.

[KembaWalker]

Spreadsheet enthusiasts in shambles

Eye testers win again

[westbricc]

where did this anti-edwards campaign from thunder fans come from?

[tsherkin]

Spreadsheet enthusiasts in shambles

Eye testers win again

Not really?

His postseason impact metrics match the eye test. It's really his sustainability over a RS which has been the question, and what he might look like over an extended postseason run. First game against Denver certainly looked great, though.