Should the Pelicans move on from Willie Green?

[SweaterBae]

When is the coach the actual problem?

[tamaraw08]

Wait you expected them to beat OKC without Zion?

As high as i am on Zion, you cannot seriously have watched this series and come away thinking he gets us over the top here. We got swept and didnt score 100 points once

This is a David Griffin issue primarily. He's the ultimate grifter of a gm (no pun intended). Basically doesnt want to build around our best player because it gives him psycho flashbacks of being in LeGM's shadow in Cleveland

he might not have put them over the top- but he gives any team fits. He is so strong and athletic that basically nobody can guard him

Yes, he will impress you with his spectacular moves then…… pffffft, he’s injured again. knees? groin? Hamstring? Achilles? Take your pick

[brutalitops]

What do you guys think? Seems like the Pelicans are trapped, like they can’t really improve or decline with this current roster so idk what will happen. Maybe they need to do a full on rebuild again? Idk

They literally have improved every year you bellend

Yeah Murphy needs to start, but then you have this awkward choice of do you drop CJ to the bench or JV and play no center.

In terms of what Willie Green could of done. I think play Jordan Hawkins more rather than just Garbage minutes. Run more pin downs for Murphy and have B.I screen for him. But again, front offices will rather fire a head coach then piss off a 30m dollar player and slight an agency

I honestly shop B.I, play CJ/Jones/Murphy/Zion/JV and then have JV 15-20 MPG. Hopefully Hawkins gets more room because he was looking excellent holding together the Pelicans till everyone came back.


"Surround Zion with shooters" is such a lazy response and I feel dumb for reading some of y'all posters. You need to look if Zion can be fully fit for 35MPG for 72 games a season, if you believe. Look at the log jam you have and decide whether you want to trade CJ and start Jose, or do you want to play a legit "Small ball with no rim protection no length"

[Funcrusher]

What do you guys think? Seems like the Pelicans are trapped, like they can’t really improve or decline with this current roster so idk what will happen. Maybe they need to do a full on rebuild again? Idk

They literally have improved every year you bellend

Yeah Murphy needs to start, but then you have this awkward choice of do you drop CJ to the bench or JV and play no center.

In terms of what Willie Green could of done. I think play Jordan Hawkins more rather than just Garbage minutes. Run more pin downs for Murphy and have B.I screen for him. But again, front offices will rather fire a head coach then piss off a 30m dollar player and slight an agency

I honestly shop B.I, play CJ/Jones/Murphy/Zion/JV and then have JV 15-20 MPG. Hopefully Hawkins gets more room because he was looking excellent holding together the Pelicans till everyone came back.


"Surround Zion with shooters" is such a lazy response and I feel dumb for reading some of y'all posters. You need to look if Zion can be fully fit for 35MPG for 72 games a season, if you believe. Look at the log jam you have and decide whether you want to trade CJ and start Jose, or do you want to play a legit "Small ball with no rim protection no length"

Disagree man, their improvement year to year far outlags the growth of the west itself year to year. The west is way tougher than it was a couple years ago, that should be obvious. Our "improvement" from year to year has manifested into, drumrollllll.... 0 playoff series wins.

Thats awful, this is year 5 of the Zion/BI era, how have we not figured out how to field a contender in 5 years with a plethora of assests handed to this front office from the AD trade?

Look at just about every major move Griff & Trajan Langdon have made post AD/Zion, sans drafting Herb and drafting Trey with the pick they got via the JV/Adams swap, its been a **** disaster.

Hell, look at the moves they haven't made. They've refused to part ways with BI for so long, missed out on Scoot, Dame, Jrue, Jarrett Allen, Lauri (who they swung out on twice, the first time when they couldve done a S&T swap with Lonzo, but elected to package him for, checks notes, TOMAS SATORANSKY & GARRETT TEMPLE), etc. when Ingram's trade value was ripe.

Now his trade value is completely shot after a predictable playoff stinker against a physical team, and we're in danger of losing him for nothing or signing him to an extension he doesnt deserve.

Meanwhile, we've burned through most of the trade assets and draft capital the AD trade netted us, and our roster construction, while talented, has no real identity around its star, with no clear way of getting substantially better beyond hoping he stays healthy and maybe turns into 09 Bron or 06 Wade and carries, which i dont know if his body is even capable of frankly.

No, we probably cant go full rebuild, but only because we'd be wasting Zion's prime and trading him would be a massive indictment on this franchise and our arrogant POBO

[Wingy]

Meh. Who cares. Unless they’re getting Spo, no one’s moving the needle that much. Easy to say as an outsider.

They should, and should’ve moved on from Zion ages ago.

[Funcrusher]

Meh. Who cares. Unless they’re getting Spo, no one’s moving the needle that much. Easy to say as an outsider.

They should, and should’ve moved on from Zion ages ago.

Literally 23 years old.

[Wingy]

Meh. Who cares. Unless they’re getting Spo, no one’s moving the needle that much. Easy to say as an outsider.

They should, and should’ve moved on from Zion ages ago.

Literally 23 years old.

You think his health is going to get better as he ages?

Also, people’s bodies tend to fill out as they age. How’s that gonna go?

Sell high while you still can, NOP.

They won’t though.

[Funcrusher]

Meh. Who cares. Unless they’re getting Spo, no one’s moving the needle that much. Easy to say as an outsider.

They should, and should’ve moved on from Zion ages ago.

Literally 23 years old.

You think his health is going to get better as he ages?

Also, people’s bodies tend to fill out as they age. How’s that gonna go?

Sell high while you still can, NOP.

They won’t though.

This is like saying Philly shouldve sold high on Embiid after his rookie season.... when he was 23 and played 31 games. Or that the Warriors shouldve cut bait on Steph early in his career. Its a risk, but unless you're getting a haul back, which your not if you feel the need to trade him in the first place, what is the point?

[ChiTownHero1992]

I stopped blaming coaches a while ago...none of the players listen to a damn thing they say anyways so why should it matter who is coaching.

Pre-hiring many coaches including, Green, Ham, Donovan, etc were all highly talked about and now everyone wants them gone

[SpreeS]

1. Team hasn't starter caliber PG;
2. Ingram and Zion always injured (Ingram 61g 55g 45g 64g Zion 61g 0g 29g 70g);
3. Get a real defensive big to Zion and trade Ingram for true PG;

NOLA won 49 wins this season poorly constructed. Green made a good job.

[Wingy]

This is like saying Philly shouldve sold high on Embiid after his rookie season.... when he was 23 and played 31 games. Or that the Warriors shouldve cut bait on Steph early in his career. Its a risk, but unless you're getting a haul back, which your not if you feel the need to trade him in the first place, what is the point?

Embiid is the rare exception, and you shouldn’t plan based off that. It’s like saying you can get a Butler or a Jokic late in the draft. Sure you can, but you shouldn’t build your franchise around unfounded hope.

Steph is a terrible example for your argument. He had one season of 20 something games played, and literally all the others in the high 70s or above. He didn’t have one season below that level until after they’d already won the title.

Meanwhile in 3 of 5 of Zion’s seasons he has had 2x 20-something games played and 1 with a big 0. Then now of course pulling up lame during the playin. So get out of that now after his next healthy stretch while foolish people will still think stuff like he’s “literally 23 years old” and you can still fleece some desperate team looking for hope and a big name to sell to their fans.