Is this the end of the Embiid Era in PHI?

PushDaRock · Post #21 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:11 am

It's also pretty hard to win a series when Kelly Oubre was your third best player.

Johnny Firpo · Post #22 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:15 am

They don't need stars, 3-star teams don't work anyomore, too much money. I guess if PG wants to come, that's a different story because he would be such a good fit, but otherwise they would need two really good 3&Ds and a backup 5 who can also shoot. What is the pick situation?

EmpireFalls · Post #23 » by **EmpireFalls** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:15 am

Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

BigShot Bojan · Post #24 » by **BigShot Bojan** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:17 am

Like I’ve seen star treatment but embiids treatment is unparalleled…if Jokic got embiids treatment he would be the GOAT already and I am not exaggerating….greatest ever

Liver_Pooty · Post #25 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:17 am

BigShot Bojan wrote:I hope that piece of trash just retires

You're weird.

Marvin Martian · Post #26 » by **Marvin Martian** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:19 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

You will never get equitable value for Embiid. The fact is he is always hurt and a player of his size will not have a long prime like Lebron. Trade Embiid, stockpile some assets and build around Maxey.

LaLover11 · Post #27 » by **LaLover11** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:19 am

Lakers will think about giving up D Lo for Joel
What else can the sisters include in the trade package

Time for Change · Post #28 » by **Time for Change** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:21 am

MavsDirk41 wrote:No way Philly trades Embiid. He has constant injury issues and has yet to advance Philly in the playoffs but when healthy he is a top 5 player in the league.

Top 5 RS player, but the problem is in the playoffs with the increased intensity against good teams he gasses in the 4th and they lose close games. Even in game 5 which they won it was Maxey with 17 pts in the 4th, while Embiid only had 2. Game 4 Embiid had 1 pt in the 4th.

Mk0 · Post #29 » by **Mk0** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:21 am

Wouldn't shock me if he got all buddy/buddy with someone at Team USA and asked out.

ScrantonBulls · Post #30 » by **ScrantonBulls** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:22 am

Marvin Martian wrote:
ScrantonBulls wrote:You don't trade a superstar like Embiid when you can compete. He's an absolute stud when healthy. Only way to justify it is if they think his health will completely fall apart in the future.

Embiid will only decline from here. Maxey is still young. PHI has no assets to get quality players. It doesn't make sense for Embiid to stay in PHI anymore. It would be better to get some quality assets and reload around Maxey without losing playoff position.

Don't they have cap space to give Playoff P a big deal? That's they're only hope really. He's a great fit, but obviously the age is a concern.

EmpireFalls · Post #31 » by **EmpireFalls** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:22 am

Marvin Martian wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

You will never get equitable value for Embiid. The fact is he is always hurt and a player of his size will not have a long prime like Lebron. Trade Embiid, stockpile some assets and build around Maxey.

Yeah well what if those assets are a couple role players, a lottery pick which becomes Cody Williams, and some firsts that you don’t get to use until 2027 or so?

Because this was a lottery team without him. 16-27 and it was even worse than that. If you trade him, and don’t immediately nail the rebuild, you get fired.

This is why teams don’t do this stuff.

LaLover11 · Post #32 » by **LaLover11** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:27 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

Everyone in here is going to want Luka, Jokic, AD, Shai etc lmao but the reality is Joel is a gamble with his health moving forward.

George for Embiid
Draymond/Wiggins for Joel
Durant for Joel
DLo/Reaves/Rui/Vando for Joel
Bam/Robinson for Joel
Lillard for Joel

There's plenty options and teams that would be interested

Rainwater · Post #33 » by **Rainwater** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:28 am

They aren’t trading a guy who should have been MVP this year if he was healthy.

BigShot Bojan · Post #34 » by **BigShot Bojan** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:29 am

Mk0 wrote:Wouldn't shock me if he got all buddy/buddy with someone at Team USA and asked out.

Why do that when you can ride Maxey’s coattails

KnixtapeH20 · Post #35 » by **KnixtapeH20** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:30 am

dygaction wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:I've already said a few years ago they need to dump him while he has inflated value.

Smart franchises have already figured out he is a fraud and a regular season only player.

Even in RS he is good for only 40-60 games....

Wait until he is heading to NYK this summer.

We don't want him anywhere near our franchise.... Foh :nonono:

Woodsanity · Post #36 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:33 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:I've already said a few years ago they need to dump him while he has inflated value.

Smart franchises have already figured out he is a fraud and a regular season only player.

Even in RS he is good for only 40-60 games....

He was clearly playing hurt and he still averaged 33 ppg this series. I mean pretty hard to put this on him.

He is hurt every playoffs.

zero rings · Post #37 » by **zero rings** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:47 am

They're not trading him unless he asks out. Philly has a chance to be really good next year. They are off the hook for Harris and can potentially replace him with a real player like PG/Siakam/Lebron.

Yeah you're still rolling the dice on an injury prone Embiid, but it's not like they have anything better to do.

JustBuzzin · Post #38 » by **JustBuzzin** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:50 am

zero rings wrote:They're not trading him unless he asks out. Philly has a chance to be really good next year. They are off the hook for Harris and can potentially replace him with a real player like PG/Siakam/Lebron.

Yeah you're still rolling the dice on an injury prone Embiid, but it's not like they have anything better to do.

Neither of those guys you named are likely to leave.

In reality they are looking at Miles Bridges or Demar DeRozan.

Decipher · Post #39 » by **Decipher** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:54 am

LaLover11 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

Everyone in here is going to want Luka, Jokic, AD, Shai etc lmao but the reality is Joel is a gamble with his health moving forward.

George for Embiid
Draymond/Wiggins for Joel
Durant for Joel
DLo/Reaves/Rui/Vando for Joel
Bam/Robinson for Joel
Lillard for Joel

There's plenty options and teams that would be interested

How many decades of picks are the Lakers adding to that platter of stuff?

LaLover11 · Post #40 » by **LaLover11** » Fri May 3, 2024 4:55 am

Decipher wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:Basic question would be what could you possibly get that could replicate the value Joel Embiid brings to your team and franchise? Even if it’s 7 first round picks there’s no guarantee any of them become anywhere near Embiid as a player.

You don’t trade a superstar who wants to be there. If he starts agitating to leave it’s a different conversation. But teams work for 25 years to get a player of his caliber. You don’t trade that guy unless the situation is completely untenable.

Everyone in here is going to want Luka, Jokic, AD, Shai etc lmao but the reality is Joel is a gamble with his health moving forward.

George for Embiid
Draymond/Wiggins for Joel
Durant for Joel
DLo/Reaves/Rui/Vando for Joel
Bam/Robinson for Joel
Lillard for Joel

There's plenty options and teams that would be interested

How many decades of picks are the Lakers adding to that platter of stuff?

Take all of them

Lakers want to win now