Tobias Harris’s lack of criticism

[schnakenpopanz]

i don't know which contract is worse: Beal or harris

[Statlanta]

He deserves the Boban treatment of being glued to the bench in meaningful games.

[Decipher]

i don't know which contract is worse: Beal or harris

Harris has expired

[schnakenpopanz]

i don't know which contract is worse: Beal or harris

Harris has expired

in terma of contribution this season money for value i thought.

[Mr Peanut]

He just completely flamed out in the playoffs and will lose a lot of money this offseason because of it.

[baldur]

Nobody expects anything from him. That's why.

And funny he is gonna get at least 30M next year as well.

The guy has literally no fire in him.

[SelfishPlayer]

Here's hoping Detroit doesn't do the unthinkable. Save that money for someone who's good.

Young teams need vets like Tobias. He's a true pro. He can absolutely help young players by simply being in the building , on the plane, etc.. He can't help a good veteran team anymore but a bad young team is his perfect fit.

[Godymas]

he's a nice guy, but you can also point to his contract as being another thing that resulted in the 6ers wasting Embiid's prime

most of the blame goes to Ben Simmons for completely ruining the 6ers process outcome, some goes to the 6ers FO who chose Tobias Harris and traded away Jimmy Butler for...Josh Richardson

and Tobias deserves blame for never really playing up his insane contract

[Godymas]

i don't know which contract is worse: Beal or harris

Bradley Beal is the worst contract in the league. He is on a super max with a no trade clause past the age of 30 as a undersized SG who hasn't played a full healthy season of basketball since he was 25.

[HotelVitale]

he's a nice guy, but you can also point to his contract as being another thing that resulted in the 6ers wasting Embiid's prime

most of the blame goes to Ben Simmons for completely ruining the 6ers process outcome, some goes to the 6ers FO who chose Tobias Harris and traded away Jimmy Butler for...Josh Richardson

and Tobias deserves blame for never really playing up his insane contract

Sixers' fans definitely blame him, but it's also true that they signed him to be their 3rd/4th scorer and they could've overcome him being a bad contract. He was never going to be their second primary creator star, and there was just one too many blunders or bad luck outcomes trying to find that guy. Simmons going stud to dud, letting Butler walk, giving up prime assets for the right to draft Fultz over Tatum/Fox, trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith, getting Harden a year or two too late, pissing away like 8 1st rounders in those and other moves.

If any of those moves went the right way, Harris and his $ would be just another footnote in the story. Most good teams have some not good contracts on them, and most legit contenders tend to flip those guys around over time as they tinker with rosters. Sixers never got to that status.

[og15]

He doesn't get criticized because people don't really care about him. Also, Embiid is on his team and draws way too much hate for people to even remember Tobi is around.

[JJ_PR]

Philly chose this guy over Jimmy Butler.

[HotelVitale]

Philly chose this guy over Jimmy Butler.

I don't have a problem with that being how it's told but it's not really true. Would've been zero problem to sign both of them and bring back the rest of their core too, and Butler situation was definitely not as straightforward as the team saying 'we don't want to re-sign you,' let alone 'we won't resign you cuz we choose Tobias Harris instead.'

In some ways the real story is even worse though: they didn't cater to Butler cuz 'culture' and cuz they wanted to leave things open for Simmons (which pissed off Butler enough that he left), then they used some cap left from that situation to overpay Al Horford cuz culture and respect and veteran grit or something. In some ways Harris was just in the background as the real blunders happened--that year the team went from legit contender with Embiid/Butler/Simmons and shooters around them (including Harris) to a weird and somehow more expensive team that started Josh Richardson and Horford instead of Redick and Butler, and then required guys like Harris to step up and also relied guys like Korkmaz, Shake Milton, Mike Scott, GRIII etc to play big rotation minutes and initiate offense too (cuz guys like J Rich and Horford obviously couldn't). So so bad, and that was on top of making both the Fultz and Zhaire Smith blunders right before these moves.

[stillgotgame]

0 points in an elimination game, $39M guaranteed salary.

Kirk Cousins would be proud.

[Hipster Doofus]

Enjoy retirement in Detroit, Tobias, you thief.

[Godymas]

he's a nice guy, but you can also point to his contract as being another thing that resulted in the 6ers wasting Embiid's prime

most of the blame goes to Ben Simmons for completely ruining the 6ers process outcome, some goes to the 6ers FO who chose Tobias Harris and traded away Jimmy Butler for...Josh Richardson

and Tobias deserves blame for never really playing up his insane contract

Sixers' fans definitely blame him, but it's also true that they signed him to be their 3rd/4th scorer and they could've overcome him being a bad contract. He was never going to be their second primary creator star, and there was just one too many blunders or bad luck outcomes trying to find that guy. Simmons going stud to dud, letting Butler walk, giving up prime assets for the right to draft Fultz over Tatum/Fox, trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith, getting Harden a year or two too late, pissing away like 8 1st rounders in those and other moves.

If any of those moves went the right way, Harris and his $ would be just another footnote in the story. Most good teams have some not good contracts on them, and most legit contenders tend to flip those guys around over time as they tinker with rosters. Sixers never got to that status.

there are bad contracts on recent championship teams, but the basketball fit always made sense for the slight overpay. MPJ with Denver, Klay with the Warriors, I don't believe that the 2021 Bucks had any horrible contracts. The Lakers overpaid Danny Green, the Raptors maybe Kyle Lowry, nothing for the dynasty Warriors really, nothing for the Cavs, most championship teams might have one bad contract but you can always look at a redeeming aspect of their bad contract.

What is the redeeming part of the Tobias Harris contract? His basketball fit is just average at best, his skillset isn't something that can't be replaced with role players that rise to the occasion. He wasn't even better than Nic Batum

[PhilBlackson]

He lacks criticism because you forget he’s even on the court most of time.

Thankfully this should be his last mass overpay.

I think he has a big deal already lined up with Detroit.

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The damn Kirk Cousins of the NBA.

[KnicksGadfly]

As a Knicks fan, I noticed the saddest thing at the Sixers arena. When the starting lineup gets announced, Tobias gets booed.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I think he is better as a first or second option- he played well on the Clippers in that role- he needs to receive the ball in the post and have screens set from him to shoot 3s. Of course, if he is your first and 2nd best player, you aren't going far.

[HotelVitale]

he's a nice guy, but you can also point to his contract as being another thing that resulted in the 6ers wasting Embiid's prime

most of the blame goes to Ben Simmons for completely ruining the 6ers process outcome, some goes to the 6ers FO who chose Tobias Harris and traded away Jimmy Butler for...Josh Richardson

and Tobias deserves blame for never really playing up his insane contract

Sixers' fans definitely blame him, but it's also true that they signed him to be their 3rd/4th scorer and they could've overcome him being a bad contract. He was never going to be their second primary creator star, and there was just one too many blunders or bad luck outcomes trying to find that guy. Simmons going stud to dud, letting Butler walk, giving up prime assets for the right to draft Fultz over Tatum/Fox, trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith, getting Harden a year or two too late, pissing away like 8 1st rounders in those and other moves.

If any of those moves went the right way, Harris and his $ would be just another footnote in the story. Most good teams have some not good contracts on them, and most legit contenders tend to flip those guys around over time as they tinker with rosters. Sixers never got to that status.

there are bad contracts on recent championship teams, but the basketball fit always made sense for the slight overpay. MPJ with Denver, Klay with the Warriors, I don't believe that the 2021 Bucks had any horrible contracts. The Lakers overpaid Danny Green, the Raptors maybe Kyle Lowry, nothing for the dynasty Warriors really, nothing for the Cavs, most championship teams might have one bad contract but you can always look at a redeeming aspect of their bad contract.

What is the redeeming part of the Tobias Harris contract? His basketball fit is just average at best, his skillset isn't something that can't be replaced with role players that rise to the occasion. He wasn't even better than Nic Batum

Think you missed the intention there. If the Sixers kept Butler or took Tatum or Simmons developed as most thought he would, Harris is probably either fine as a 5th starter or could've been moved as the team tinkered around their contending core. Harris hurt flexibility some but he was always tradeable--especially earlier in the deal--and the things that held them back form being contenders weren't really him/his deal but rather than other moves. I'm not even concerned here with what Harris contributd this year cuz the Sixers obviously were one core piece short of being real contenders.

Also I was talking about 'contenders' and not title winners--yeah lots of times title winners are going to get solid to great performances out of most of their key roster guys that year, hitting on the margins is often how they win titles over other legit contenders. But again a guy/contract like Harris doesn't sink teams that have the right core. Before 2021 the Bucks had a ton of overpaid salary in guys like G Hill or Mirotic or Bledsoe and could still get to their Giannis-Middleton-Jrue title core, G State obviously had a one-off miracle season from bad-cotnract Wiggins plus great timing on Poole to surround Curry-Klay-Draymond, MIA last year had big-money Lowry that didn't sink Butler-Bam et al (and in 2020 guys like Dragic, Iggy, Olynyk etc).