Suggs would go ahead of Mobley in the redraft

[Godymas]

Suggs is the definition of "every single team wants this guy"

Elite defensive guard, can handle the ball, can playmake, can catch and shoot 3s. Willing role player. In such a guard heavy league EVERY contender will want a Jalen Suggs.

Mobley on the other hand is a dud on offense and seems to have made 0 movement towards really developing a meaningful offensive game. It's extension time and he's really just marginally better from his rookie year. The worst part is twice now he has shown that in the elevated playoffs he is unable to adapt his game meaningfully on offense.

It's a shame too because there were talks that Mobley might be the true #1 of the 2021 draft shortly after their rookie years, but for some reason Mobley is not growing and it's alarming.

Maybe it is the coaching of JB Bickerstaff, maybe it's Cleveland's insistence on sticking Mobley with Jarrett Allen.

Cleveland is in a strange situation this off-season, because they could end up deciding that Mobley is not the guy they want to pay on their timeline, instead they retain Garland + Allen, trade Mobley for a better fitting player, and trade Mitchell? Mitchell is supposed to be the superstar in Cleveland, none of the other guys are clearly ever going to be superstars, just normal stars. It's an awkward situation when your rebuild was accelerated and then left behind. I almost feel like Cleveland would rather just have Markkanen + Sexton.

[tmorgan]

I don’t think that’s true, at least not as of today.

Suggs has come a long way these last two years, but he’s still not much of a creator or anything but a straight line ball handler. He’s turning into a REALLY impressive 3&D shooting guard — his shot has progressed well — but you’re giving him too much credit as anything but a play finisher on offense.

Mobley is a truly outstanding defender as a four, and is working on becoming one as a five. Needs to fill out more to really make it down low, with at least a Gobert-type physique. I get that his offense has not progressed as planned, and no, he’s not the next Tim Duncan, but he is starting to shoot better overall.

It’s certainly a lot closer than it was two years ago, but I think you still take Mobley here.

[DowJones]

I don’t like guards in today’s NBA that struggle to shoot and struggle to pass. Suggs is a Pat Beverly type. Meh.

[Iwasawitness]

Suggs is the definition of "every single team wants this guy"

Elite defensive guard, can handle the ball, can playmake, can catch and shoot 3s. Willing role player. In such a guard heavy league EVERY contender will want a Jalen Suggs.

Mobley on the other hand is a dud on offense and seems to have made 0 movement towards really developing a meaningful offensive game. It's extension time and he's really just marginally better from his rookie year. The worst part is twice now he has shown that in the elevated playoffs he is unable to adapt his game meaningfully on offense.

It's a shame too because there were talks that Mobley might be the true #1 of the 2021 draft shortly after their rookie years, but for some reason Mobley is not growing and it's alarming.

Maybe it is the coaching of JB Bickerstaff, maybe it's Cleveland's insistence on sticking Mobley with Jarrett Allen.

Cleveland is in a strange situation this off-season, because they could end up deciding that Mobley is not the guy they want to pay on their timeline, instead they retain Garland + Allen, trade Mobley for a better fitting player, and trade Mitchell? Mitchell is supposed to be the superstar in Cleveland, none of the other guys are clearly ever going to be superstars, just normal stars. It's an awkward situation when your rebuild was accelerated and then left behind. I almost feel like Cleveland would rather just have Markkanen + Sexton.

No.

[MagicMatic]

Depends on who is taking him.

I’m taking Suggs 10/10 times if I have Paolo.

I’m also taking Franz ahead of Mobley. You are a fool if you think otherwise.

[mademan]

There has to be genuine concern at Mobley's lack of significant offensive improvement through 3 years, but no. He's still a far more impactful defender and is even more valuable offensively than Suggs. But ya, from where the hype was at after year 1, Mobley has been pretty disappointing.

[vulture]

Has mobley improved offensively since his rookie season?
If he did it’s not noticeable

[Raps in 4]

They're pretty much the same player (elite defenders with limited offensive ability). I guess it boils down to: do you prefer that type of player as your C or PG?

[Bornstellar]

I remember people on here saying Mobley could be Tim Duncan with a three point shot Good times

[tmorgan]

Has mobley improved offensively since his rookie season?
If he did it’s not noticeable

Yes. He got less shots this year, so it’s harder to see, but yes.

FG% up every year.
3P% finally good this year.
Rebounding rate up every year.
Assist rate up every year, turnover rate pretty much constant.

Actually, this isn’t even as close as I said in my first post. Definitely Mobley, and while the gap has closed some, still a sizable gap.

[The Servant]

Mobley to OKC for Josh Giddey, + both 2024 picks

[tmorgan]

Mobley to OKC for Josh Giddey, + both 2024 picks

Gonna cost a lot more than that, but I do like Mobley to OKC quite a bit.

[Biff]

He shot 51% his rookie year and 58% this year. Yeah, he hasn't become a super dynamic offensive player but that is a huge increase in efficiency. People saying he hasn't improved need to understand stats beyond just looking at volume numbers.

[tdotrep2]

no sir

[Kurtz]

Getting lots of Marcus Smart vibes from Suggs. I'd take Mobley.

[Texas Chuck]

I've been on Suggs island from day 1--I would have taken him 1st overall. I think the Mobley hype has always been insane--I too remember the Tim Duncan only better stuff.

But I think Mobley would still return more in trade than Suggs right now. Defensive first guards simply don't get paid big contracts and don't return a lot in trade. Whereas mobile defensive bigs who are playable offensively always are in demand. And if you return more in trade and you are likely to get a bigger contract, you'd probably still be picked ahead of the other guy.

But I do think if the Cavs can secure Mitchell, they should absolutely try and use the value of Mobley to go get a better veteran to win right now. He's simply not where he should be by now and I wouldn't want to continue to count on improvement that isn't necessarily coming.

[Shock Defeat]

Both guys are high level role players at best.

[Jcity08]

Suggs was really good for me in fantasy, very good all around contributor.

[DaPessimist]

Neither guy has an offensive game. I'll take the rim protector over the perimeter defender. Maybe if Suggs had a little more size and could guard the 3/4.

[bisme37]

Magic fans this man jinxed y'all.