Moderators: Dirk, bisme37, KingDavid, bwgood77, zimpy27, cupcakesnake, Domejandro, infinite11285, Harry Garris, ken6199
bisme37 wrote:Part of me wants Tatum to go off on a huge scoring night but most of me is really proud of how he's willing to run around and take the defense with him and let everyone else feast. Just a couple years ago it felt like he and Brown were in a contest to outscore each other and now Tatum doesn't care about his own numbers at all. He's just out there setting screens and gravity-ing the hell out of teams.
Spo and the Heat were doubling and tripling and trapping him all series and he made the right plays and was happy to find the open man. JBB and the Cavs did the same last night and JT did the same.
I'm wondering if and when a team will decide to guard him straight up rather than leaving everyone else wide open. I guess it's a pick your poison thing since the C's will beat you either way.
jbk1234 wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Damn the Cavs lost every quarter That's crazy
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
jbk1234 wrote:bisme37 wrote:Part of me wants Tatum to go off on a huge scoring night but most of me is really proud of how he's willing to run around and take the defense with him and let everyone else feast. Just a couple years ago it felt like he and Brown were in a contest to outscore each other and now Tatum doesn't care about his own numbers at all. He's just out there setting screens and gravity-ing the hell out of teams.
Spo and the Heat were doubling and tripling and trapping him all series and he made the right plays and was happy to find the open man. JBB and the Cavs did the same last night and JT did the same.
I'm wondering if and when a team will decide to guard him straight up rather than leaving everyone else wide open. I guess it's a pick your poison thing since the C's will beat you either way.
Pretty sure that was the Cavs attempt at a zone, which they never play. Otherwise, LeVert is just being a dumb-dumb here.
This is really only JBB though. He has three bench bigs who are borderline unplayable in the playoffs, but whom matchup pretty well against Horford and Kornet playing drop coverage. TT should be matched up against Horford whenever he's in the game and D. Jones or even Niang should check against Kornet. It doesn't even matter if the latter two shoot all that well because Kornet is going to play illegal defenses the entire time they're on the floor. TT should be setting screens on the perimeter all day long and crashing the boards when he's done.
Homerclease wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Damn the Cavs lost every quarter That's crazy
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
You could have Allen and Wade and you’d still be lucky to get one. There is no matchup issue here for Boston.
Homerclease wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Damn the Cavs lost every quarter That's crazy
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
You could have Allen and Wade and you’d still be lucky to get one. There is no matchup issue here for Boston.
jbk1234 wrote:Homerclease wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
You could have Allen and Wade and you’d still be lucky to get one. There is no matchup issue here for Boston.
Well, if we can move Mobley out to the 4 and Wade out to the 3 on Brown, or even the 1 on White, all of a sudden we have a height advantage instead of surrendering it at every position, and I'm pretty sure that would matter.
jbk1234 wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Damn the Cavs lost every quarter That's crazy
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
Orbeven wrote:Niko23 wrote:My head says Celtics in 6 but my heart says Cavs in 7. Cavs have to play nearly perfect ball in order to beat the Celtics. FA's Strus and Niang have to earn those contracts. Garland has to play like a max player and Mobley needs to pretend he has some type of offensive game. Oh and then Mitchell has to play like a superstar on one leg, so if all that happens then we should be good.....right!?! LOL.
So say Cavs in 7. Hell say Cavs in 4. We're just a bunch of idiots on a message board! There's no money on it, you can't go to jail....Let your inner homer out! No logic required!
FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.The Corey's wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Im Coming Home wrote:Damn the Cavs lost every quarter That's crazy
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
It's not like the Celtics are without their number 3 scorer or anything.
JujitsuFlip wrote:FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.The Corey's wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
It's not like the Celtics are without their number 3 scorer or anything.
I don't claim to know but people being dismissive about how impactful a fully healthy Cavs squad could be vs a Celtics squad without KP is wild to me.The Corey's wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.The Corey's wrote:
The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
It's not like the Celtics are without their number 3 scorer or anything.
Ok. So the question is what is fair? You think they're pushing the historic Celtics to 6 or 7 games when they were a magic meltdown firm not even being here?
JujitsuFlip wrote:I don't claim to know but people being dismissive about how impactful a fully healthy Cavs squad could be vs a Celtics squad without KP is wild to me.The Corey's wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.
Ok. So the question is what is fair? You think they're pushing the historic Celtics to 6 or 7 games when they were a magic meltdown firm not even being here?
If you have Mobley on Tatum and Wade on Brown, which allows Mitchell to be on White, then have Allen to help rebound and rotate... I'm not sure how anyone can argue it wouldn't produce a different result than last night's blowout.
Does it mean the Cavs are guaranteed to win? Obviously not but to think sliding in 2 good defenders with size to a line-up that can't get stops, makes little to no difference is "logic" i can't follow. Especially because it is not based on anything.
Homerclease wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Homerclease wrote:You could have Allen and Wade and you’d still be lucky to get one. There is no matchup issue here for Boston.
Well, if we can move Mobley out to the 4 and Wade out to the 3 on Brown, or even the 1 on White, all of a sudden we have a height advantage instead of surrendering it at every position, and I'm pretty sure that would matter.
I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t matter. At all.
No, it's not a wash lol there are clearly levels to this.The Corey's wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:I don't claim to know but people being dismissive about how impactful a fully healthy Cavs squad could be vs a Celtics squad without KP is wild to me.The Corey's wrote:
Ok. So the question is what is fair? You think they're pushing the historic Celtics to 6 or 7 games when they were a magic meltdown firm not even being here?
If you have Mobley on Tatum and Wade on Brown, which allows Mitchell to be on White, then have Allen to help rebound and rotate... I'm not sure how anyone can argue it wouldn't produce a different result than last night's blowout.
Does it mean the Cavs are guaranteed to win? Obviously not but to think sliding in 2 good defenders with size to a line-up that can't get stops, makes little to no difference is "logic" i can't follow. Especially because it is not based on anything.
If neither team is healthy then isn't it a wash?
I am dismissive of the Cavs. They don't have the offense to hang.
The Corey's wrote:The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
JujitsuFlip wrote:FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.The Corey's wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
If neither Allen nor Wade play in this series, it's a sweep or maybe we take 1 at home. With Allen and Wade, the matchup problems were the Celtics. Without them, the matchups problems are ours and our coach is severely limited when it comes to in-game adjustments, identifying matchup issues, and planning around the latter.
It takes a good deal of failure for JBB to change his approach when better coaches anticipate the problem before the teams step on the court. It's like playing series with a -1 game handicap.
The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
It's not like the Celtics are without their number 3 scorer or anything.
I mean, the only team who missed more games this season due to injury is the Memphis Grizzlies, and we all saw how their season turned out.KamikazeK wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:FWIW, the Celtics have never faced a fully healthy Cavs squad this season. So, i don't think that's a fair statement/assessment.The Corey's wrote:
The Celtics were one 4th quarter meltdown away from sweeping the Cavs in the regular season.
They have no chance to win more than a game with or without their full roster.
It's not like the Celtics are without their number 3 scorer or anything.
Sounds like a fully healthy cavs squad doesn't exist. Nor will they be playing one in the playoffs.
