Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated

[RB34]

Jokic a system player?

What exactly is the system he’s playing in?

[BelgradeNugget]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

You are wrong as usual. Nothing new

[AIfan3]

I personally can't take a lot of modern stars seriously, save a couple (peak Curry/Kawhi maybe Giannis). Silver's shelling of anything resembling defense made it so. It's just really hard to compare players in this era of basketball to any other era. Especially offensively.

[Tukkerwolf]

Players 'exposed' by the Wolves over the last two weeks:

-Beal
-Booker
-Durant
-Murray
-Jokic

[UglyBugBall]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

You are wrong as usual. Nothing new

I'm right 90% of the time. Way better than your 10-15%.

[UglyBugBall]

Jokic a system player?

What exactly is the system he’s playing in?

The system is constant motion with elite athletes and finishers, where Jokic just has to pass the ball for them to complete the play. The system where Murray can bring the ball up and initiate the offense and close the game, and where he has to give you 25 to win. The system where he doesn't have to play defense because guys on the outside lock down driving lanes, or funnel guys baseline for traps.

[dolphinatik]

Jokic has played winning basketball and has been one of the best currently playing. one of the Goats is where I think the overrating starts coming in. I firmly believe Shaq would make him tap. If Jokic is not the best in the world currently he is easily in the top 10 currently playing.

[Johnny Fontane]

He’s the best, just been in over his head with Denver’s physicality and athleticism

[BelgradeNugget]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

You are wrong as usual. Nothing new

I'm right 90% of the time. Way better than your 10-15%.

In your world in your head. Even this tread you created for haters is 67% against your takes. Jokic played 1 game as bad as Luka has played in these playoffs and now, out of nowhere he is in the same class And what to say about Embiid But they have to carry Kirie and Maxie, poor guys

[hardenASG13]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

I wonder if this board will all say his MVP this year was phony if they lose to Minnesota, as they did with Embiid last year when he lost hurt in round 2? It's looking pretty bad, guy has no leadership. All time greats step up in these scenarios. Jokic has shown 0 fight or leadership, let alone good play.

[hardenASG13]

Recency bias goes crazy

Some of us have been predicting this all year. This is the first good team he's faced including last year, and all the criticisms (turnstile at the rim, exaggerated passing ability and assist numbers, lack of passion and leadership) are just showing now that he's facing a legit team.

[TravisScott55]

The conversation of him being in the tier of Lebron/Jordan/Bird/Duncan needs to end. There was no "bad match ups" for those guys that made them look this bad. When you are a generational player your talent supersedes any match up.

[Stan]

Anyone who still argues Embiid over Jokic in 2024 instantly loses all credibility. The guy's a soon to be 3x MVP and had literally one of the greatest playoff runs ever last year, now all the vultures want to come out for his first subpar playoff play in years.

Sports fans in the social media era just suck.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Joker is and has been the best in the world and historically great for the past couple years. Luka and Embiid are crazy choices to put ahead of him.

[RB34]

Jokic a system player?

What exactly is the system he’s playing in?

The system is constant motion with elite athletes and finishers, where Jokic just has to pass the ball for them to complete the play. The system where Murray can bring the ball up and initiate the offense and close the game, and where he has to give you 25 to win. The system where he doesn't have to play defense because guys on the outside lock down driving lanes, or funnel guys baseline for traps.

And anyone can just plug and play in this system? Or do they need a specific skill set?

[ChiTownHero1992]

Overreaction much....he is still dominant but he got his ring and multiple MVP's he isn't as hungry currently...we'll see if the drive kicks in. This happens with a lot of great players they get their taste and then coast the rest of their career. It takes a different level to be hungry for multiple championships and the GOAT conversation thats why there are only those handful that we ever talk about it in the conversation

[Ritzo]

If he's not, then who is?

[Ssj16]

The conversation of him being in the tier of Lebron/Jordan/Bird/Duncan needs to end. There was no "bad match ups" for those guys that made them look this bad. When you are a generational player your talent supersedes any match up.

2011 says hello to Lebron. Also, Duncan never won back to back chips either and had been bounced out earlier in playoffs throughout his career after championship runs.
I'm just saying that Jokic still has a chance to catch Duncan career wise because his overall regular season and playoff stats are no joke.

[BigGargamel]

I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.

I agree. He definitely is not as good as Embiid and Luka, who have never lost in the playoffs and definitely have a title to their name.

Sometimes a guy struggles against great defenses. I know, weird concept.

This forum, man.

[hardenASG13]

The conversation of him being in the tier of Lebron/Jordan/Bird/Duncan needs to end. There was no "bad match ups" for those guys that made them look this bad. When you are a generational player your talent supersedes any match up.

2011 says hello to Lebron.

The one time in a 15 year peak. The difference is LeBron had shown leadership and balled out against teams as good or better than his previously. Jokic hasn't, this is the first good team he's played over the last 2 years.