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Flash3 wrote:

NO-KG-AI wrote:

Flash3 wrote:Hey it's ok. I'll give Kwame a few more years to develop.

If Kwame was an elite level prospect, you might have a point, but as it stands, we haven't seen a guy with Oden's talent or better flop, unless it was injury related.

Injured, recovering, out of shape, Rookie Greg Oden was far better than Kwame has ever been.

Make a joke about him looking old, and the circle will be complete.

Valid points, but with someone with an early injury history into their career, how does it set a precedent of things to come? In his 1st 2 years he hasn't shown to be healthy and play even half a season, let alone get consistent minutes because of conditioning and all related to those injuries. I'd understand had he put 1-2 seasons together and played consistently in those seasons, and then something happened, fine.

But, I'm definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt, as he's EXTREMELY young and at the same time very raw, so he can grow out of these issues. But, as mentioned earlier, at this current time Durant would really supplant this team in more ways than one than Oden and the potential to be on the floor can, IMO.

deadfeather wrote:
He missed 21 games his second season. That means he played 3/4 of last season, not half.

Flash3 wrote:

farzi wrote:

Flash3 wrote:
Well coincidentally what is Oden? He wasn't any factor, or much I should say in his team getting there. He's got a great team around him with an even better coach.

Durant's team in OKC is only now coming together.

Portland went from one of the worst defensive teams to one in the top half of the league, and their rebounding numbers skyrockted from the season he sat out.

So, what are you arguing? He sat out (not in game) as you stated, and their numbers went up. OK and?

Flash3 wrote:

deadfeather wrote:
He missed 21 games his second season. That means he played 3/4 of last season, not half.

I went on to elaborate on that point. -- Read on.

Flash3 wrote:Valid points, but with someone with an early injury history into their career, how does it set a precedent of things to come? In his 1st 2 years he hasn't shown to be healthy and play even half a season, let alone get consistent minutes because of conditioning and all related to those injuries. I'd understand had he put 1-2 seasons together and played consistently in those seasons, and then something happened, fine.

But, I'm definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt, as he's EXTREMELY young and at the same time very raw, so he can grow out of these issues. But, as mentioned earlier, at this current time Durant would really supplant this team in more ways than one than Oden and the potential to be on the floor can, IMO.

Oh, Kwame is as old as Greg Oden.

Wizenheimer wrote:Part of this debate seems motivated by a belief that Oden has had little positive impact on the Blazers while Durant's impact on OKC has been huge.

Durant's impact on OKC has been such that the team went from a 32 win season to a 20 win season in his first year. And in the following season, supposedly Durant's breakout season, OKC climbed all the way up to 23 wins from 20. A 3 win increase, and still 9 less then before he arrived.

Now, I know it's not all on Durant that OKC still sucked last season, but if he's such a phenomenal talent, with, as one poster put it "heart and the will to win", you'd expect more then a 3 win improvement. Brandon Roy took a 21 win team and led them to successive seasons of 32, 41, and 54 wins. Durant, with the mantle of RealGM greatness newly bestowed, ought to be able in 2 seasons to match what Roy did in 1, but apparently not.

On the other hand, in the know-little world of RealGM, Oden's impact on the Blazers is either ignored or dismissed:

In 2007/08, Portland ranked in the bottom half of the league in every rebounding category. IIRC, they were about 20th in overall rebounding pecentage, and about 18th in defensive rebounding rate and 23rd in offensive rebounding rate.

Contrast that to Oden's first season: Portland led the NBA in both overall rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage. And they were 5th in defensive rebounding rate. Oden was the only roster addition to affect that. Rudy fernandez certainly didn't strengthen Portland's rebounding numbers. This was all due to Oden.

And that is a huge impact to portland's fortunes. To go from a weak rebounding team to the best rebounding team is a simple testament to what Oden will bring to the floor for the Blazers and it's something that is ignored here all the time...like in this thread

farzi wrote:Portland was the most efficient offensive team last season. Adding another scorer would help, yes. But it would do nothing to improve their greatest weakness: defense. Infact, adding Durant over Oden would make it worse, and then we'd ahve what? Channing Frye as backup C?

Bskey wrote:Why would you make this thread in the middle of the off season?

Lets let Oden play another season or two why don't we. Whether people are right or wrong about him, going off of a season of recovery, not to mention his rookie year is just of stupid.

deadfeather wrote:

Flash3 wrote:

deadfeather wrote:
He missed 21 games his second season. That means he played 3/4 of last season, not half.

I went on to elaborate on that point. -- Read on.

... I don't see anywhere where you elaborate on Oden not being able to play half an NBA season. He missed one NBA season, came back, and played 3/4 of an NBA season.

If you meant play half his career games then that is different but still ignorant. He had microfracture surgery, not a consistent string of multiple injuries his first year to justify adding the year he was drafted into the equation. He wasnt even really injured that year he just had thin cartilage that was going to need to be fixed at some point in his career.

You people make it seem like got off his couch one day and his knee went out like Sean Livingstons.

Valid points, but with someone with an early injury history into their career, how does it set a precedent of things to come? In his 1st 2 years he hasn't shown to be healthy and play even half a season, let alone get consistent minutes because of conditioning and all related to those injuries. I'd understand had he put 1-2 seasons together and played consistently in those seasons, and then something happened, fine.

sabi wrote:

Flash3 wrote:Valid points, but with someone with an early injury history into their career, how does it set a precedent of things to come? In his 1st 2 years he hasn't shown to be healthy and play even half a season, let alone get consistent minutes because of conditioning and all related to those injuries. I'd understand had he put 1-2 seasons together and played consistently in those seasons, and then something happened, fine.

But, I'm definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt, as he's EXTREMELY young and at the same time very raw, so he can grow out of these issues. But, as mentioned earlier, at this current time Durant would really supplant this team in more ways than one than Oden and the potential to be on the floor can, IMO.

Oh, Kwame is as old as Greg Oden.

You and others just keep posting the same arguments, that have already been refuted, over and over. Why not open a Durant ball sucking thread and leave Oden out of it b/c it's clear a lot of people here don't know much about him.

5DOM wrote:

farzi wrote:Portland was the most efficient offensive team last season. Adding another scorer would help, yes. But it would do nothing to improve their greatest weakness: defense. Infact, adding Durant over Oden would make it worse, and then we'd ahve what? Channing Frye as backup C?

So you would take a backup C over a legit #1/2 option on any team?

DEEP3CL wrote:Didn't this JordansBulls guy post this last off season too ?

Anyway to answer the question...........the answer is NO. Why on earth would they take Durant when they had Roy ? Roy is already an All Star, Durant isn't. Roy has been the main cog in the turn around of the Blazers and has gotten his team to the playoffs, Durant hasn't.

As far as Oden, Portland needed in the worst way a big. A big who given by all the projection could be an All Star for many years. Portland has Durant's position filled 3 deep anyway, with Webster, Outlaw and Roy.

Oden is in the perfect situation in Portland, he won't be counted on to win games that's Roy's job. While Durant is counted on to help OKC win games, but his years will be wasted because it'll be a while before they win like Portland.

Flash3 wrote:

sabi wrote:

Flash3 wrote:Valid points, but with someone with an early injury history into their career, how does it set a precedent of things to come? In his 1st 2 years he hasn't shown to be healthy and play even half a season, let alone get consistent minutes because of conditioning and all related to those injuries. I'd understand had he put 1-2 seasons together and played consistently in those seasons, and then something happened, fine.

But, I'm definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt, as he's EXTREMELY young and at the same time very raw, so he can grow out of these issues. But, as mentioned earlier, at this current time Durant would really supplant this team in more ways than one than Oden and the potential to be on the floor can, IMO.

Oh, Kwame is as old as Greg Oden.

You and others just keep posting the same arguments, that have already been refuted, over and over. Why not open a Durant ball sucking thread and leave Oden out of it b/c it's clear a lot of people here don't know much about him.

You do that, I'll stay out of it. -- That isn't my kind at all.

And, this is exactly where it stands right now with the way some are making it out to be in defending Oden, but it's still very early.....

5DOM wrote:

farzi wrote:Portland was the most efficient offensive team last season. Adding another scorer would help, yes. But it would do nothing to improve their greatest weakness: defense. Infact, adding Durant over Oden would make it worse, and then we'd ahve what? Channing Frye as backup C?

So you would take a backup C over a legit #1/2 option on any team?