Wages of Wins: most overrated of 08-09

Post #1 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:08 pm

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/ ... n-2008-09/

almost a month old, so if its already been posted, let me know.

Most overrated scorers

Most overrated in nba efficiency

Most overrated in PER

The overall most overrated:

The Most Overrated

Although Beasley tops the PER list, he is not the most overrated if we consider all three rankings. If we add together the differences from each comparison the most overrated player in the NBA for 2008-09 is….. yes, Al Harrington. Here are the 15 most overrated players if we consider all three perspectives.

1. Al Harrington
2. Rudy Gay
3. Stephen Jackson
4. Andrea Bargnani
5. Danny Granger
6. David West
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Richard Jefferson
9. Jamal Crawford
10. Jermaine O’Neal
11. Charlie Villanueva
12. Jeff Green
13. Richard Hamilton
14. Thaddeus Young
15. Michael Beasley
16. O.J. Mayo
17. LaMarcus Aldridge
18. Carmelo Anthony
19. Ben Gordon
20. Wilson Chandler

Apollo33 · Post #2 » by **Apollo33** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:11 pm

I don't get it... they're basing on some stats to see who's overrated and who's not? What's the deal here?

TAI8 · Post #3 » by **TAI8** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:12 pm

So they're overrated cuz they play on bad teams? Why not just throw in Durant while at it?

Post #4 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:17 pm

Apollo33 wrote:I don't get it... they're basing on some stats to see who's overrated and who's not? What's the deal here?

first ranking is ppg vs. wins produced
second is nba efficiency vs. wins produced
third is PEE vs. wins produced

wins produced is to david berri what PER is to hollinger. the higher your stats in the 1st number vs. the lower your wins produced number, the more overrated you are.

TAI8 wrote:So they're overrated cuz they play on bad teams? Why not just throw in Durant while at it?

9 of the top 20 players listed (i just added the 16-20 since the author added it later in the article, i had missed it) played on playoff teams.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #5 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:25 pm

do they have an underrated list too? I'd like to see that

edit : ah, nevermind, just changed the word "over" to "under" in the URL

Kayjay · Post #6 » by **Kayjay** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:27 pm

How does Wins Produced work? Is it still just taking boxscore stats and applying a weighting formula or what? Because if that's the case, this whole thing is totally worthless.

BillessuR6 · Post #7 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:47 pm

The list makes sense. All jump shooting chuckers...

Post #8 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:57 pm

Kayjay wrote:How does Wins Produced work? Is it still just taking boxscore stats and applying a weighting formula or what? Because if that's the case, this whole thing is totally worthless.

if u have time to read it, here's the explanation.
http://www.wagesofwins.com/CalculatingWinsProduced.html

shaqfan1 · Post #9 » by **shaqfan1** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:59 pm

This list is dumb. How overrated a player is can't be based on stats. Its based on the fan's perception of the player. For example, no one thinks much of player's like Al Harrington, Charlie Villanueva, or Jamal Crawford. How can Al Harrington be the most overrated player in the NBA when most fans of the NBA think he is a chucker who is taking advantage of the Knicks system to get his stats? All this list tells me is what players put up the most empty stats, not what players are the most overrated.

Post #10 » by **5DOM** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:02 pm

LOL at Harrington being the most overrated

Post #11 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:37 am

Only person that I'm surprised to see on there is Carmelo.

Joel Embust · Post #12 » by **Joel Embust** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:27 pm

Al Harrington most overrated?! No way! These rankings are sheet!

Minge · Post #13 » by **Minge** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:37 pm

Only person that I'm surprised to see on there is Carmelo.

Agreed. Voted All-NBA Third Team by the Coaches, in 08-09.

Vindicater · Post #14 » by **Vindicater** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:38 pm

Wow... more stats that are useless...

urrrghhhh

Ito · Post #15 » by **Ito** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:23 am

thebirdman wrote:The list makes sense. All jump shooting chuckers...

KrossOver21 · Post #16 » by **KrossOver21** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:59 am

Aldridge is overrated? Second scoring option on a good team is now a bad thing? Wow...

NCHeels2008 · Post #17 » by **NCHeels2008** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:17 am

When did Rip Hamilton become a chucker?

Clangus · Post #18 » by **Clangus** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:26 am

I didn't think anyone even rated Jeff Green at all. Its hard to be overrated when noone gives a **** what you do?!

Lakeshow2417 · Post #19 » by **Lakeshow2417** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:33 am

Bogus.

Id take half of those "overrated" players and put them on an expansion team. Granger is an upcoming all star.

toffeemonster · Post #20 » by **toffeemonster** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:48 am

the stat is trying to point out the players that put up stats without really contributing to a winning team.

overrated is the wrong word since most of us realise that these people are putting up empty stats.

obviously, as with any stat there are gonna be a few anomalies but i think overall it points out many of the players that are discussed on here and chuckers on bad teams.