CBS7 wrote:As of now, I don't see it. Miller is much better overall, and he's not slouch on defense. Value wise I'd take Rondo as he's much younger and has a chance to be very good.
Miller put up much more ppg, on the same efficiency, as a #2 option, and was one of the main reasons why the Sixers made the playoffs this season. He didn't have the luxury of being a #4 option behind one of the best big 3's in recent history like Rondo. And that does have an effect on your play.
Yeah, multiple effects, negative and positive.
#4 is a luxury, and so can #2 be if what you're looking for is stat-filling.
Not having as much responsibility on offense allows Rondo to give more energy on defense, as well.
You're probably exaggerating the disparity in offensive responsibility between Rondo and Miller. Rondo's energy on defense has practically nothing to do with energy he somehow has left over from being somewhat less resonsible for the offense than, say, Miller. His energy is relentless, if you hadn't noticed.
And that does make a difference, too. He's a very good defender, at least top 5 for his position, but he does benefit from being in a great system and playing with the DPOY.
Yeah, great system, yeah, playing with the DPOY. But I guarantee you on any other team that's among the greatest defensive teams of all time, the second best defender would be getting respect
showered on him, POURED on him.
He didn't have a Calderon-like A/TO ratio. Calderon's was 5.4 A/TO for the season, Rondo's was 2.4 for the season and 3.6 for the playoffs.
His AST/TO was Calderonian vs. ATL and LA, at least.
Point is, he took
really really good care of the ball, with few exceptions.
Rondo had some great games... but he had some crap games too. Right before that 21/8/7/6 game he put up 3/3 and shot 1-7, and before that 5/2 and shot 2-4.
Dude, he was freaking injured. In fact, take out those injured games and look at what he did in the playoffs and that series in particular, since those shortened stints really dampened his per game stats. Look at his per 36 at least, that'll include the injured games and still be representative of how he really played:
Playoffs in 32: 10.2 points, 6.6 assists, 4.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
Playoffs per 36: 11.5 points, 7.2 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 1.9 steals
Finals in 27.2: 9.3 points, 6.7 assists, 3.8 rebounds, 1.5 steals
Finals per 36: 11 points, 7.9 assists, 4.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals
It's a minor improvement quantitatively, but qualitatively it's way more visible that he played damn good ball
when he was healthy enough to be on the court. He missed more layups than he had been all season, he shrank from more open jumpers than he had all season. Those are the only negatives I saw in him these playoffs. Everything else was superb. Not necessarily statistically, but if you watched the games and judge him based on what you saw, then you know he was superb.
Even in that clincher he shot 8-20.
You've gotta be kidding me. That clincher was solid gold for him, save a couple missed bunnies.
Even with that great game 6 and the other game where he had the most assists in a finals game since Magic, he averaged 9.3/6.7/3.8 for the series while shooting 37.7% and 59.3% from the line.
See above.
In 3 of the 4 Finals wins, Rondo's performance was
crucial to the win.
He had two phenomenal HOFer-type games, and one other really good game.
In the other three Finals games he was
severely limited by a fresh injury.
I don't see anything so spectacular from his playoff run that puts him into the top 10 for PGs. For the playoffs as a whole, he put up 10.2/6.6/4.1/1.7 and shot 40.7% from the field and 69.1% from the line. I don't see why its hard to see that fans of other team's aren't going to get excited about that.
See above.
Also, does no one remember what Tony Parker was like in '03 or '05?
Does no one recall the kind of numbers that, say, Dennis Johnson put up?
He's a good player. He's young, he's just 22 years old and has a lot of room for improvement. He'll be top 10 in a few years, and possibly even top 5-7. But did you say he'd be putting up like 16/10/6 (you said 10+ assists, several more points, couple more rebounds) right now on another team? I just don't see it.
On several other teams, with the proper mpg, I can see him putting up 16/6/10/2.5, yes.