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i think that its ridiculous that some of you have this conception of beasley that isnt true? play for himself and not the team? WTF? have you even ever seen him play

most of you are knick homers anyway so w/e

blueNorange wrote:
beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

Beasley shot a 3 per game and shot 40% last year.

Beasley has three point range, definitely. But - and please correct me if i'm wrong - he's a streaky long range shooter. Gallo's stroke is on another level. I think both will be 20+ PPG scorers in their prime. One more thing, Beasley obviously not 6'10 as some data suggests but... Is he even 6'9? I'm really not sure, some Heat fan could write something about that. I think he's closer to 6'8 than 6'9.

with the way beasley's progressing, very very similar to that of kg, bosh, dirk and other pfs alike with some of the same stats in years 1 and into year 2, there's little not to say he can't be a top pf in this league.

he's finally learning how to benefit from passing the ball and getting it back for an easier shot for himself. he's also learning what NBA defense is all about, because when he came in, he was fouling way too much. plus, he's also learning what are smart shots to take and not; i.e. using his range as an asset, and driving into the basket on bigger pfs.

NO-KG-AI wrote:

blueNorange wrote:
beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

Beasley shot a 3 per game and shot 40% last year.

So? Right now he's averaging almost 2 attempts a game and shooting it at 22.5%. Range doesn't matter when you're missing on nearly 80% of your attempts.

Flash3 wrote:with the way beasley's progressing, very very similar to that of kg, bosh, dirk and other pfs alike with some of the same stats in years 1 and into year 2, there's little not to say he can't be a top pf in this league.

I would like to see your reasoning behind this.

NYKnick87 wrote:

NO-KG-AI wrote:

blueNorange wrote:
beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

Beasley shot a 3 per game and shot 40% last year.

So? Right now he's averaging almost 2 attempts a game and shooting it at 22.5%. Range doesn't matter when you're missing on nearly 80% of your attempts.

Flash3 wrote:with the way beasley's progressing, very very similar to that of kg, bosh, dirk and other pfs alike with some of the same stats in years 1 and into year 2, there's little not to say he can't be a top pf in this league.

I would like to see your reasoning behind this.

Firstly, it shows he does have 3 point range, most of the 3's he's been taking lately have been flings with the shot clock winding down. But Beasley is almost an ideal forward for D'Antoni's system, the guy would be putting up huge numbers in that system.

And his reasoning is that Beasley is putting up similar numbers to those guys in their 1st + 2nd seasons.

first of all, Beasley is better statistically. And hes not playing in a system where its jacking up shots and just playing soft and lazy on the other end. Watching the Knicks live made me realize how little they care defensively. you dont even hear these guys talking..seems like theyre waiting for the other team to score so they can push the ball up court. Beasley is bad on the perimeter but holds his own when hes in the post with his strength and timing. Gallinari is pretty bad defensively everywhere.

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:first of all, Beasley is better statistically. And hes not playing in a system where its jacking up shots and just playing soft and lazy on the other end. Watching the Knicks live made me realize how little they care defensively. you dont even hear these guys talking..seems like theyre waiting for the other team to score so they can push the ball up court. Beasley is bad on the perimeter but holds his own when hes in the post with his strength and timing. Gallinari is pretty bad defensively everywhere.

Nice to know you don't watch Gallo play.

blueNorange wrote:

canefandynasty wrote:Pose this question: If either were to switch teams, how do you think it would turn out?

heat would be better ... another great 3pt shooter to go with cook and you can't explain it because when you look at the stats you don't see it but gallinari is a winner ... when he's in the game the team plays better because he rarely takes dumb shots and he will always pass the ball to someone else when he believes the shot isn't a smart shot.

he's not extremely athletic like beasley and he's not fast as beasley but his defensive awareness and positioning is superb ... he deflects passes, has quick hands that forces turnovers, and while his man to man defense isn't that good(because he lacks footspeed, although vs pf's could be different) his help defense and weakside shotblocking is excellent.

he can run the pick and roll very good as how he threads the needle with perfect passing.

beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

LOL you obviously don't even watch the Heat. Cook sucks this year, he's not even in the rotation anymore. 3-point shooting is not what we need, its a reliable 2nd offensive option.

If you can give Danilo the ball and let him create his own offense, thats something, but I highly doubt he's capable of that. I'm not going to act like I know all about Galinari's game, but wow do you not know anything about Miami or Beasley.

NYKnick87 wrote:

NO-KG-AI wrote:
beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

Beasley shot a 3 per game and shot 40% last year.

So? Right now he's averaging almost 2 attempts a game and shooting it at 22.5%. Range doesn't matter when you're missing on nearly 80% of your attempts.

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So? We're 20 games in, I'd bet he's closer to 40% than he is to 20% at years end. I'll take an 81 game sample over this small sample size.

NYKnick87 wrote:

NO-KG-AI wrote:
beasley has no 3pt range ... at least not yet so he wouldn't be effective in d'antoni's system.

Beasley shot a 3 per game and shot 40% last year.

So? Right now he's averaging almost 2 attempts a game and shooting it at 22.5%. Range doesn't matter when you're missing on nearly 80% of your attempts.

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So? We're 20 games in, I'd bet he's closer to 40% than he is to 20% at years end. I'll take an 81 game sample over this small sample size.

NYKnick87 wrote:

Flash3 wrote:with the way beasley's progressing, very very similar to that of kg, bosh, dirk and other pfs alike with some of the same stats in years 1 and into year 2, there's little not to say he can't be a top pf in this league.

I would like to see your reasoning behind this.

Rookie years
KG: 10.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 bpg on 49.1% from the field in 28.7 MPG (age=19)
Boozer: 10 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.3 apg, 0.6 bpg on 53.6% from the field in 25.3 mpg (age=21)
Amare: 13.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.1 bpg on 47.2% from the field in 31.3 mpg (age=20)
Dirk: 8.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 bpg on 40.5% from the field in 20.4 mpg (age=20)
Beasley: 13.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1 apg, 0.5 bpg on 47.2% from the field in 24.8 mpg (age=20)

Second years:
KG: 17 ppg, 8 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.1 bpg on 49.9% from the field in 38.9 MPG (age= 20)
Boozer: 15.5 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 2 apg, 0.7 bpg on 52.3% from the field in 34.6 mpg (age=22)
Amare: 20.6 ppg, 9 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.6 bpg on 47.5% from the field in 36.8 mpg (age= 21)
Dirk: 17.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.8 bpg on 46.1% from the field in 35.8 mpg (age=22)
Beasley: 15.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.1 apg, 0.6 bpg on 44.9% from the field in 32.2 mpg (age=21)

Per36:
KG (rookie): 13.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.1 bpg
Boozer (rookie): 14.2 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 1.9 apg, 0.9 bpg
Amare (rookie): 15.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.2 bpg
Dirk (rookie): 14.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1 bpg
Beasley (rookie): 20.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.7 bpg

KG (2nd year): 15.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.0 bpg
Boozer (2nd year): 16.1 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 bpg
Amare (2nd year): 20.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.6 bpg
Dirk (2nd year): 17.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.8 bpg
Beasley (2nd year): 17.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 1.3 apg 0.6 bpg

*Props to Wade2K6 for the look-up

NYKnick87 just got shown the way.

and give me Beasley any day of the week.

I'd take Gallo, but I can see why some would take Beasley. But some of you guys don't have a clue about Gallo. I'd suggest watching a few games before randomly blurting out things. It makes you look silly.

Flash3 wrote:

NYKnick87 wrote:

Flash3 wrote:with the way beasley's progressing, very very similar to that of kg, bosh, dirk and other pfs alike with some of the same stats in years 1 and into year 2, there's little not to say he can't be a top pf in this league.

I would like to see your reasoning behind this.

Rookie years
KG: 10.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.6 bpg on 49.1% from the field in 28.7 MPG (age=19)
Boozer: 10 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.3 apg, 0.6 bpg on 53.6% from the field in 25.3 mpg (age=21)
Amare: 13.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.1 bpg on 47.2% from the field in 31.3 mpg (age=20)
Dirk: 8.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 bpg on 40.5% from the field in 20.4 mpg (age=20)
Beasley: 13.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1 apg, 0.5 bpg on 47.2% from the field in 24.8 mpg (age=20)

Second years:
KG: 17 ppg, 8 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.1 bpg on 49.9% from the field in 38.9 MPG (age= 20)
Boozer: 15.5 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 2 apg, 0.7 bpg on 52.3% from the field in 34.6 mpg (age=22)
Amare: 20.6 ppg, 9 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.6 bpg on 47.5% from the field in 36.8 mpg (age= 21)
Dirk: 17.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.8 bpg on 46.1% from the field in 35.8 mpg (age=22)
Beasley: 15.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 1.1 apg, 0.6 bpg on 44.9% from the field in 32.2 mpg (age=21)

Per36:
KG (rookie): 13.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.3 apg, 2.1 bpg
Boozer (rookie): 14.2 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 1.9 apg, 0.9 bpg
Amare (rookie): 15.5 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.2 bpg
Dirk (rookie): 14.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1 bpg
Beasley (rookie): 20.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.7 bpg

KG (2nd year): 15.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.0 bpg
Boozer (2nd year): 16.1 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 bpg
Amare (2nd year): 20.1 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.6 bpg
Dirk (2nd year): 17.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.8 bpg
Beasley (2nd year): 17.2 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 1.3 apg 0.6 bpg

*Props to Wade2K6 for the look-up

I guess if you want to go by the numbers, you've got a case. But in their second years in the league, KG, Amare, and Bosh were all the main guy on their teams. Boozer had a rookie Lebron and Dirk played alongside Finley. In any event, all were more efficient than Beasley, who plays as a second fiddle alongside Wade. Also Beasley's per36 numbers go down across the board compared to the others.

NO-KG-AI wrote:
So? We're 20 games in, I'd bet he's closer to 40% than he is to 20% at years end. I'll take an 81 game sample over this small sample size.

Beasley has attempted 40 3ptrs this season and connected on 9. He's on pace to take 156 3ptrs this season. If you expect him shoot 40% from the 3 then he's going to have to hit 62 for the year. At this rate, he has to shoot 46% from downtown the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 35% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 40% the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 30% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 33% the rest of the season. Unless he turns into an elite 3pt shooter, he's not going to come close to his 3pt% from last year.

NYKnick87 wrote:
I guess if you want to go by the numbers, you've got a case. But in their second years in the league, KG, Amare, and Bosh were all the main guy on their teams. Boozer had a rookie Lebron and Dirk played alongside Finley. In any event, all were more efficient than Beasley, who plays as a second fiddle alongside Wade. Also Beasley's per36 numbers go down across the board compared to the others.

NO-KG-AI wrote:
So? We're 20 games in, I'd bet he's closer to 40% than he is to 20% at years end. I'll take an 81 game sample over this small sample size.

Beasley has attempted 40 3ptrs this season and connected on 9. He's on pace to take 156 3ptrs this season. If you expect him shoot 40% from the 3 then he's going to have to hit 62 for the year. At this rate, he has to shoot 46% from downtown the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 35% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 40% the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 30% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 33% the rest of the season. Unless he turns into an elite 3pt shooter, he's not going to come close to his 3pt% from last year.

Of course, when legitimate proof of some kind that says something else other than what you feel, you shoot it down. -- To each their own I guess.....

Numbers are definitely not everything, but it does show you that for the limitations Beasley has had and he's had plenty playing with Wade given his role on the team and obviously so, he's been on par and better in some areas compared to that of some of the league's best PFs, as said earlier.

Flash3 wrote:

NYKnick87 wrote:
I guess if you want to go by the numbers, you've got a case. But in their second years in the league, KG, Amare, and Bosh were all the main guy on their teams. Boozer had a rookie Lebron and Dirk played alongside Finley. In any event, all were more efficient than Beasley, who plays as a second fiddle alongside Wade. Also Beasley's per36 numbers go down across the board compared to the others.

NO-KG-AI wrote:
So? We're 20 games in, I'd bet he's closer to 40% than he is to 20% at years end. I'll take an 81 game sample over this small sample size.

Beasley has attempted 40 3ptrs this season and connected on 9. He's on pace to take 156 3ptrs this season. If you expect him shoot 40% from the 3 then he's going to have to hit 62 for the year. At this rate, he has to shoot 46% from downtown the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 35% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 40% the rest of the way. If you expect him to end up at 30% for the year, he's going to have to shoot 33% the rest of the season. Unless he turns into an elite 3pt shooter, he's not going to come close to his 3pt% from last year.

Of course, when legitimate proof of some kind that says something else other than what you feel, you shoot it down. -- To each their own I guess.....

Numbers are definitely not everything, but it does show you that for the limitations Beasley has had and he's had plenty playing with Wade given his role on the team and obviously so, he's been on par and better in some areas compared to that of some of the league's best PFs, as said earlier.

Your numbers prove very little when taken into context, so no, he hasn't been 'on par and better in some areas' compared to the forwards you mentioned. Not even close.

not sure what in the hell you are looking at or not a when comparing the PFs and their respective numbers above, but so be it......

Flash3 wrote:not sure what in the hell you are looking at or not a when comparing the PFs and their respective numbers above, but so be it......

Gallo In 36

POINTS 17
REBOUNDS 6
ASSISTS 2
BLOCKS 1
STEALS 1

Beasley is way ahead in terms of development, but I'd take Gallinari due to style of play and muturation. Beasley is going to be a player that needs to have the ball to be effective where as Gallo doesn't. I wouldn't take either of them at this stage to be a number 1-2 guy on a team and expect to actually games therefore I take the guy that can be a dominant role guy for a succesful team, Gallinari.

Very early in their careers though.