Nikola Jokic - 23-24 NBA Thread - '24 NBA MVP & 23 Finals NBA MVP

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Re: Nikola Jokic - 23-24 NBA Thread - '24 NBA MVP & 23 Finals NBA MVP 

Post#381 » by 70sFan » Mon May 20, 2024 2:08 pm

OhayoKD wrote:SGA was better in the first round than Jokic was.

No, I don't agree with that at all.

You also shouldn't ignore SGA faced better two better offenses and wasn't the biggest defensive liablity in the playoffs (Granted if you take the "absolute value" instead of "value over replacement" approach you can maybe argue jokic's defense is better).

OK, but Jokic wasn't a liability on defense. He was targeted at times, but liability is too strong of a word. I do like SGA defense though, he's getting better on that end with time.

We can also say Murray had a terrible all-time series or whatever but no one on OKC was drawing away defensive attention to the degree Jamal did.

True, but OKC offense was built different - they had more creators in their roster and were not nearly as dependable on two guys doing everything on offense except for finishing. OKC supporting cast also disappointed, but not to the degree of Murray.
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Post#383 » by Colbinii » Wed May 22, 2024 10:26 pm

SGA was not better against a terrible New Orleans team without Zion than Jokic was against a good Lakers team with healthy AD/LeBron.
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Post#384 » by GSP » Thu May 23, 2024 12:03 am

Colbinii wrote:SGA was not better against a terrible New Orleans team without Zion than Jokic was against a good Lakers team with healthy AD/LeBron.


Pels had a +5 net rating w/o Zion this season in 12 games (7-5). Terrible is wrong..... They still had All defense Herb Jones on him too but life was easier for Sga on defense w/o Zion. La was a better team than Pels minus Zion but not like they had the personnel to guard Jokic anyways
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Post#385 » by Colbinii » Thu May 23, 2024 12:06 am

GSP wrote:
Colbinii wrote:SGA was not better against a terrible New Orleans team without Zion than Jokic was against a good Lakers team with healthy AD/LeBron.


Pels had a +5 net rating w/o Zion this season in 12 games (7-5). Terrible is wrong..... They still had All defense Herb Jones on him too but life was easier for Sga on defense w/o Zion. La was a better team than Pels minus Zion but not like they had the personnel to guard Jokic anyways


AD with Rui is one of the best teams to guard the Nuggets.
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Re: Nikola Jokic - 23-24 NBA Thread - '24 NBA MVP & 23 Finals NBA MVP 

Post#386 » by Special_Puppy » Thu May 23, 2024 3:43 am

Colbinii wrote:
GSP wrote:
Colbinii wrote:SGA was not better against a terrible New Orleans team without Zion than Jokic was against a good Lakers team with healthy AD/LeBron.


Pels had a +5 net rating w/o Zion this season in 12 games (7-5). Terrible is wrong..... They still had All defense Herb Jones on him too but life was easier for Sga on defense w/o Zion. La was a better team than Pels minus Zion but not like they had the personnel to guard Jokic anyways


AD with Rui is one of the best teams to guard the Nuggets.


Lakers had the 17th best defense in the league this year.
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Re: Nikola Jokic - 23-24 NBA Thread - '24 NBA MVP & 23 Finals NBA MVP 

Post#387 » by rk2023 » Thu May 23, 2024 4:15 am

Special_Puppy wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
GSP wrote:
Pels had a +5 net rating w/o Zion this season in 12 games (7-5). Terrible is wrong..... They still had All defense Herb Jones on him too but life was easier for Sga on defense w/o Zion. La was a better team than Pels minus Zion but not like they had the personnel to guard Jokic anyways


AD with Rui is one of the best teams to guard the Nuggets.


Lakers had the 17th best defense in the league this year.


According to Jemele Hill, the Rui on Jokic defensive matchup was great for LA too
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