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LukaTheGOAT wrote:

Djoker wrote:Despite claims to the contrary, Lebron doesn't have a very clear edge in postseason box score since 2015.

2015-2024 Playoff Numbers
Steph: 27.5/5.6/5.9 on 61.1 %TS (+5.0 rTS) with 3.3 tov in 36.7 mpg (128 games)
Lebron: 29.0/9.7/8.1 on 59.1 %TS (+3.0 rTS) with 3.8 to in 39.9 mpg (129 games)

It amounts to a very small offensive edge for Lebron but the edge is built upon Lebron playing more minutes. His proponents will say "See he contributes more." but him playing more minutes is a result of playing more close games. Steph's teams blew out so many opposing teams that he would often sit large chunks of, if not entire, fourth quarters.

2015-2024 Playoff Numbers - Per 36 Minutes
Steph: 27.0/5.5/5.8 on 61.1 %TS (+5.0 rTS) with 3.2 tov (128 games)
Lebron: 26.2/8.8/7.3 on 59.1 %TS (+3.0 rTS) with 3.4 tov (129 games)

When we normalize minutes, the box scores are neck and neck. Curry is scoring at a bit higher rate with higher efficiency while Lebron has a playmaking edge albeit with slightly higher turnovers.

First off, we were talking about Curry's prime from 15-22, so not sure about adding the additional years.

By the box-score? By most box-score composites they are not that close, Lebron has an advantage by multiple standard deviations.


From 15-22 in the PS (6 PS), Lebron's box-metrics look like the following:

PER-29.1

WS/48-.243 (15.3 OWS)

BPM-10.4 (7.7 OBPM)



From 15-22 Steph in the PS,

PER-23.9

WS/48-.204 (12.6 WS)

BPM-7.5 (6.8 OBPM)

Throwawaytheone wrote:I've read the posts and the arguments fall hilariously flat.

Throwawaytheone wrote:What a truly bizzare thread. Are people here trying to argue 2022-2024 Curry is as good as prime 2015-2019 Curry?

spree8 wrote:

DorianRo wrote:If you put Brunosn on the Warriors the past 10 years, dude would have mopped up. I mean hes playing with the scrub ass Knicks who just got 2nd seed and in the 2nd round of the playoffs now and just a beat team with two HOFers.

'Nuff said

“Scrub ass Knicks” lol, stop trolling

Laimbeer wrote:

spree8 wrote:

DorianRo wrote:If you put Brunosn on the Warriors the past 10 years, dude would have mopped up. I mean hes playing with the scrub ass Knicks who just got 2nd seed and in the 2nd round of the playoffs now and just a beat team with two HOFers.

'Nuff said

“Scrub ass Knicks” lol, stop trolling

That supporting cast is pretty weak when compared to other playoff teams. I mean, who is their second best player?

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DorianRo wrote:

spree8 wrote:

DorianRo wrote:If you put Brunosn on the Warriors the past 10 years, dude would have mopped up. I mean hes playing with the scrub ass Knicks who just got 2nd seed and in the 2nd round of the playoffs now and just a beat team with two HOFers.

'Nuff said

“Scrub ass Knicks” lol, stop trolling

Its mostly scrubs and role players... Come on.. Hardly the Heatles

EmpireFalls wrote:

DorianRo wrote:

spree8 wrote:

“Scrub ass Knicks” lol, stop trolling

Its mostly scrubs and role players... Come on.. Hardly the Heatles

Nah you’re right. You could actually make the argument that the 2022 Warriors supporting cast is better than the 2024 Knicks one.

DDV is better than ‘22 Klay but not by a lot, he’s pretty inconsistent. Poole is a better scorer and secondary creator than anyone on the Knicks. OG and Wiggins at least 22 Wiggins is a wash. Draymond is the best defender on either team. Hart does hustle his ass off tbf but he’s not exactly some super elite player. Randle is hurt so is Robinson.

2024 Brunson in Steph’s place might not win the title on the 22 Warriors, although he has a good chance, but on the 2015, 2017, or 2018 Warriors? Hell yeah he would lol.

spree8 wrote:

EmpireFalls wrote:

DorianRo wrote:
Its mostly scrubs and role players... Come on.. Hardly the Heatles

Nah you’re right. You could actually make the argument that the 2022 Warriors supporting cast is better than the 2024 Knicks one.

DDV is better than ‘22 Klay but not by a lot, he’s pretty inconsistent. Poole is a better scorer and secondary creator than anyone on the Knicks. OG and Wiggins at least 22 Wiggins is a wash. Draymond is the best defender on either team. Hart does hustle his ass off tbf but he’s not exactly some super elite player. Randle is hurt so is Robinson.

2024 Brunson in Steph’s place might not win the title on the 22 Warriors, although he has a good chance, but on the 2015, 2017, or 2018 Warriors? Hell yeah he would lol.

No he’s not right lol. Scrubs?

spree8 wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:

spree8 wrote:

“Scrub ass Knicks” lol, stop trolling

That supporting cast is pretty weak when compared to other playoff teams. I mean, who is their second best player?

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Ok? So are you calling them scrubs too or what? Anyone who wants to be taken seriously would put some respect on what the supporting cast is doing and how hard they’re playing.

EmpireFalls wrote:

spree8 wrote:

EmpireFalls wrote:Nah you’re right. You could actually make the argument that the 2022 Warriors supporting cast is better than the 2024 Knicks one.

DDV is better than ‘22 Klay but not by a lot, he’s pretty inconsistent. Poole is a better scorer and secondary creator than anyone on the Knicks. OG and Wiggins at least 22 Wiggins is a wash. Draymond is the best defender on either team. Hart does hustle his ass off tbf but he’s not exactly some super elite player. Randle is hurt so is Robinson.

2024 Brunson in Steph’s place might not win the title on the 22 Warriors, although he has a good chance, but on the 2015, 2017, or 2018 Warriors? Hell yeah he would lol.

No he’s not right lol. Scrubs?

The Knicks supporting cast around Brunson is pretty comfortably the worst supporting cast around contender remaining this postseason.

I’d easily take Minnesota, Denver, OKC, Dallas, Boston, and likely even Indy’s supporting cast over the Knicks.

You’re just taking offense to the word scrub and having a bit of a meltdown, but the core argument he’s making is very much correct.

Laimbeer wrote:

spree8 wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:That supporting cast is pretty weak when compared to other playoff teams. I mean, who is their second best player?

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Ok? So are you calling them scrubs too or what? Anyone who wants to be taken seriously would put some respect on what the supporting cast is doing and how hard they’re playing.

Yeah, scrub isn't fair. But if you're advocating for Brunson and pointed out he had a weaker supporting cast than any star in the playoffs you wouldn't be wrong. I suppose OG is the second best player.

spree8 wrote:

EmpireFalls wrote:

DorianRo wrote:
Its mostly scrubs and role players... Come on.. Hardly the Heatles

Nah you’re right. You could actually make the argument that the 2022 Warriors supporting cast is better than the 2024 Knicks one.

DDV is better than ‘22 Klay but not by a lot, he’s pretty inconsistent. Poole is a better scorer and secondary creator than anyone on the Knicks. OG and Wiggins at least 22 Wiggins is a wash. Draymond is the best defender on either team. Hart does hustle his ass off tbf but he’s not exactly some super elite player. Randle is hurt so is Robinson.

2024 Brunson in Steph’s place might not win the title on the 22 Warriors, although he has a good chance, but on the 2015, 2017, or 2018 Warriors? Hell yeah he would lol.

No he’s not right lol. Scrubs?

Laimbeer wrote:

spree8 wrote:

Laimbeer wrote:That supporting cast is pretty weak when compared to other playoff teams. I mean, who is their second best player?

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Ok? So are you calling them scrubs too or what? Anyone who wants to be taken seriously would put some respect on what the supporting cast is doing and how hard they’re playing.

Yeah, scrub isn't fair. But if you're advocating for Brunson and pointed out he had a weaker supporting cast than any star in the playoffs you wouldn't be wrong. I suppose OG is the second best player.