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Post#21 » by Colbinii » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:45 pm

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Great story. Thanks Doc for sharing. He was an absolute basketball prodigy hiding in plain sight from day one. He just never fit the mold of what people thought would make a great player. And yes, I do think he's the greatest passer we've ever seen.

My favorite quote which perfectly describes Jokic's natural-born coordination:

Vicentic asked Jokic to engage in a two-ball dribbling drill, and Jokic took to it naturally, as if he'd done it all his life.
"You practice this?" Vicentic asked.
"Never," Jokic replied.


uh-oh...you don't believe in Magic?


I watched Magic and him and Nash were probably two of the best at getting the ball to where they wanted to get to. I didn’t see Magic see the future like Jokic does.


LeBron is extremely good at knowing plays, the timings of them and where all other 9 players are on the court during the play.

How Magic and Nash differ from LeBron is their intuition and ability to see and create highly-efficient opportunities for other players, seemingly out of the blue.

Jokic is the best of both worlds. He is decisive within the offensive sets and plays and understands every moving part of the play a la James. He also can create on a whim and audible in nano-seconds while within the framework and structure of a play. Nash and to a lesser extent Magic loved chaos and thrived in it while Jokic is stoic and nimble-y operating within the framework of structure.
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Post#22 » by parsnips33 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:35 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38796077/beethoven-how-nikola-jokic-became-best-passer-nba-history

I enjoy the Beethoven comparison.

“Big Beethoven” comes to mind as an appropriate nickname.

It’s funny to me that not that long ago people thought it crazy to compare his passing with that of perimeter players


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Awesome story - Jokic is hilarious

Also, I can't be the only one who really wants to try deer and wild boar salami his godfather makes :lol:
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Post#23 » by CobraCommander » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:44 pm

More of the same...more MVPs and more FMVPs and more rings...climbing the ladder into possibly top 15 or 5 all time
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Post#24 » by Heej » Sat Nov 4, 2023 3:30 am

This guy's as good as anyone I've ever seen lol
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Post#25 » by tsherkin » Sat Nov 4, 2023 1:11 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38796077/beethoven-how-nikola-jokic-became-best-passer-nba-history

I enjoy the Beethoven comparison.

“Big Beethoven” comes to mind as an appropriate nickname.

It’s funny to me that not that long ago people thought it crazy to compare his passing with that of perimeter players


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Awesome story - Jokic is hilarious

Also, I can't be the only one who really wants to try deer and wild boar salami his godfather makes :lol:



I'm in, lol.
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Post#26 » by Mickey8 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 5:03 pm

Reggie Jackson just wont pass the ball back to Jokic after Jokic sets the pick, its unbelievable he's ruining every play when he handles the ball and playing alongside Jokic.
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Post#27 » by Saints14 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 6:33 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
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uh-oh...you don't believe in Magic?


I watched Magic and him and Nash were probably two of the best at getting the ball to where they wanted to get to. I didn’t see Magic see the future like Jokic does.


LeBron is extremely good at knowing plays, the timings of them and where all other 9 players are on the court during the play.

How Magic and Nash differ from LeBron is their intuition and ability to see and create highly-efficient opportunities for other players, seemingly out of the blue.

Jokic is the best of both worlds. He is decisive within the offensive sets and plays and understands every moving part of the play a la James. He also can create on a whim and audible in nano-seconds while within the framework and structure of a play. Nash and to a lesser extent Magic loved chaos and thrived in it while Jokic is stoic and nimble-y operating within the framework of structure.


To me this is the difference between “IQ” and “feel”, and to the extent these 2 things differ I agree Jokic is absolutely elite at both
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Post#28 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:17 pm

Last year, Jokic's godly on/off was thought to be due to him playing mostly with starters, particularly Murray. This year, Nuggets have really staggered their rotation, ensuring that either one of Murray or Jokic is on the floor at all times. So how does Jokic's on/off look this year?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14

I checked Murray's on/off as well and, well, it's bad. Only 7 games played so far but the Nuggets are still dependent on one player in a way that no other team, much less contending team, is.
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Post#29 » by ty 4191 » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:34 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:Last year, Jokic's godly on/off was thought to be due to him playing mostly with starters, particularly Murray. This year, Nuggets have really staggered their rotation, ensuring that either one of Murray or Jokic is on the floor at all times. So how does Jokic's on/off look this year?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14

I checked Murray's on/off as well and, well, it's bad. Only 7 games played so far but the Nuggets are still dependent on one player in a way that no other team, much less contending team, is.


Jokic is, again, in the top 10 in PPG, RB/G, and AST/G.

In fact, the last 4 seasons, among all players with 200 games played, Jokic is:

--4th is PPG (26.1)
--3rd is AST/G (8.6)
--3rd in RB/G (12.2)

Has anyone ever been in the top 10 in all three categories multiple years? Or multiple years in a row?
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Post#30 » by Outside » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:58 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:Last year, Jokic's godly on/off was thought to be due to him playing mostly with starters, particularly Murray. This year, Nuggets have really staggered their rotation, ensuring that either one of Murray or Jokic is on the floor at all times. So how does Jokic's on/off look this year?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14

I checked Murray's on/off as well and, well, it's bad. Only 7 games played so far but the Nuggets are still dependent on one player in a way that no other team, much less contending team, is.


Jokic is, again, in the top 10 in PPG, RB/G, and AST/G.

In fact, the last 4 seasons, among all players with 200 games played, Jokic is:

--4th is PPG (26.1)
--3rd is AST/G (8.6)
--3rd in RB/G (12.2)

Has anyone ever been in the top 10 in all three categories multiple years? Or multiple years in a row?


I can't look it up ATM, but the guys to check are the triple-double machines, Oscar and Westbrook. Maybe Magic and LeBron, but I doubt it.

Jokic is something special.
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Post#31 » by Outside » Sun Nov 5, 2023 5:10 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:Last year, Jokic's godly on/off was thought to be due to him playing mostly with starters, particularly Murray. This year, Nuggets have really staggered their rotation, ensuring that either one of Murray or Jokic is on the floor at all times. So how does Jokic's on/off look this year?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14

I checked Murray's on/off as well and, well, it's bad. Only 7 games played so far but the Nuggets are still dependent on one player in a way that no other team, much less contending team, is.


Denver is toast without Jokic, but I'd say the same applies to other teams without their MVP-level stars -- Embiid, Luka, Steph, and Butler come to mind. I'd normally put Giannis in there too, but the Bucks are weird this year.

Tatum is the one MVP-level guy where I don't think the team would fall apart without him. We used to think that about Ja, but not this year, and Memphis is another weird case.
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Post#32 » by Mickey8 » Sun Nov 5, 2023 5:12 pm

Philadelphia was always playing winning basketball when Embiid was out even in the play off's last season. On the other hand, Denver is always below .500 when Jokic is missing the games.
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Post#36 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Wed Nov 8, 2023 10:04 am

Peregrine01 wrote:And yes, I do think he's the greatest passer we've ever seen.

I don't think there's a fair way to rank the guys in the top tier for passing.
It's a skill that is too interconnected with the others to properly separate when one stops and the other starts.
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Post#37 » by The-Power » Wed Nov 8, 2023 3:07 pm

This Nuggets team is so fun to watch with Jokic at the helm.
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Post#38 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Nov 8, 2023 3:27 pm

The-Power wrote:This Nuggets team is so fun to watch with Jokic at the helm.


Nuggets Warriors tonight! Murray already hurt is a bummer. No update on a timetable yet.
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Post#39 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Nov 8, 2023 3:28 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:And yes, I do think he's the greatest passer we've ever seen.

I don't think there's a fair way to rank the guys in the top tier for passing.
It's a skill that is too interconnected with the others to properly separate when one stops and the other starts.


I'll specifically add that each player specializes with the types of passes his body allows for.

Jokic couldn't Nash like Nash with a Jokic body, and Nash couldn't Jokic like Jokic with a Nash body.

Still, if forced to make a ranked list, I'd be hard pressed not to put Jokic at #1 at this point.
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Post#40 » by The-Power » Wed Nov 8, 2023 3:49 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
The-Power wrote:This Nuggets team is so fun to watch with Jokic at the helm.


Nuggets Warriors tonight! Murray already hurt is a bummer. No update on a timetable yet.

I'll be honest, I don't see the Warriors offense being able to keep up with the Nuggets. But let's see, I'd be glad to be proven wrong.

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