All Primes: 2017 Warriors vs 2013 Heat

[rand]

Who wins a best of 7 with everyone in their prime, the 2017 Warriors or the 2013 Heat?

All Prime 2017 Warriors
Steph Curry / Shaun Livingston
Klay Thompson / Andre Iguodala / Ian Clark
Kevin Durant / Matt Barnes
Draymond Green / David West
Anderson Varejao / Kevon Looney / JaVale McGee / Zaza Pachulia

All Prime 2013 Heat
Dwyane Wade / Mario Chalmers
Ray Allen / James Jones / Norris Cole
Rashard Lewis / Shane Battier / Mile Miller
LeBron James / Udonis Haslem
Chris Bosh / Chris Andersen / Joel Anthony

[PistolPeteJR]

Prime DWade on Curry isn't a bad matchup at all.
Prime Allen > Thompson
Prime Lewis < Durant
2013 LeBron on 2017 Green is an even bigger advantage considering LeBron's 3PT shooting that year (RS). Also, 2013 LeBron on Durant is real nice for Miami.
Prime Bosh >>>> any of the Warriors bigs.

I think the Heatle members all in their primes make for a team that's clearly ahead of the '17 Warriors. Would Curry still be great? Sure, but who's stopping prime Wade? You're gonna put Thompson on him? I don't think that'll work, but let's assume it does, who's covering prime Allen now, let alone prime Bosh? Too much in favour of the Heat in this matchup imo.

Edit: forgot to mention the fact that you have prime Battier in there as well to help on Durant off the bench. And prime Mike Miller too backing up Ray and Wade as a super sixth man guard? That's gross.

[Ron Swanson]

Feels like giving the 2013 Heat prime versions of Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis just makes this unfair. I don't think the 2017 Warriors benefit as much from this because all of those guys outside of David West (even Iguodala) were either in the middle of their primes or close enough to their primes. Wade/Allen/Lebron/Lewis(or prime Battier)/Bosh is an even more absurd death lineup.

[lessthanjake]

It’s actually a fairly good hypothetical, because the 2017 Warriors were a better team than the 2013 Heat, but the 2013 Heat gain a lot more from the “everyone in their prime” part. I’m still inclined to say the 2017 Warriors, because of better team fit. But having Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis in their primes instead of at the very tail end of their careers is a pretty huge improvement.

[Ambrose]

I was fully intending on going 2017 Warriors when I saw they add prime Iggy but the 2013 Heat with prime Ray Allen/Rashard Lewis/Shane Battier and a better version of Wade would be insane. A LeBron/Allen/Battier/Lewis/Bosh lineup would be unstoppable.

[Cavsfansince84]

One of the upgrades maybe being overlooked is 06-10 Wade over 13 Wade. I think he'd already dropped off by at least 20% by then. Should still be a good series but I'd probably favor the Heat. Having Ray to shoot open 3's is too much on top of the rest.

[HeartBreakKid]

I didn't notice the all prime part. I'd go with Heat.

[TheGOATRises007]

If it's all prime, Heat clearly.

Prime Wade and Prime LeBron is just too much. Ray Allen, Bosh and Lewis as 'role players' almost perfectly compliment them too. I don't think the Warriors can deal with that.

[Dr Positivity]

Wade
Allen
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

6th/7th: Lewis, Miller

West starts at C for the Warriors.

I would take the Heat by a little bit as Allen and Lewis 3pt shooting is a better fit than West's midrange is for the Warriors.

[Eagle4]

I'm guessing a lot missed the PRIME part because I'd choose the Heat without much thought. Prime Wade and Lebron + 2 of the best shooters of all time and a premier PF/C in Bosh? Lol unfair. Heatles would have an "easier" time locking up Warriors in crucial moments than vice versa.

[NbaAllDay]

The 2013 Miami Team was a 'strong team' but far from an all time great team (although it gets predictably labelled as a Super Team. 2017 GSW are obviously much stronger.

Yet as people have said Miami get the biggest Boost. I still have issues with Wade/Lebron overlap in that Wade can't scale as well next to Lebron. The returns become somewhat diminished. I also think the Lewis/Battier prime isn't going to make a massive difference.

Miami still get outshot even with Prime Allen. GWS are also deeper past the 5-6 which can matter in 7 games.

With that all said it feels very close and given Miami get a big boost through Wade, Allen, plus a small extent in Bosh and Lewos/Battier etc I'd lean to them in 7

[homecourtloss]

Would be a great matchup. Prime Battier is a perfect type of player to have out there in such a huge upgrade over whatever Miami had at that time. And then, of course, there is primary Allen over whatever Ray Allen was at the very end of his career. Then there’s a non-broken down version of Dwyane Wade who would be a different animal to contain altogether .

[Matt15]

Miami Heat the Prime Wade/Lebron/Allen trio would be too much for the Warriors.

[Dr Positivity]

The 2013 Miami Team was a 'strong team' but far from an all time great team (although it gets predictably labelled as a Super Team. 2017 GSW are obviously much stronger.

Yet as people have said Miami get the biggest Boost. I still have issues with Wade/Lebron overlap in that Wade can't scale as well next to Lebron. The returns become somewhat diminished. I also think the Lewis/Battier prime isn't going to make a massive difference.

Miami still get outshot even with Prime Allen. GWS are also deeper past the 5-6 which can matter in 7 games.

With that all said it feels very close and given Miami get a big boost through Wade, Allen, plus a small extent in Bosh and Lewos/Battier etc I'd lean to them in 7

The Lewis upgrade is pretty significant, probably as much as West to me.

[HumbleRen]

I think Heat honestly stomps them lol.

Prime Wade would obliterate anyone that isn’t Iggy on the Warriors.

[SpreeS]

Prime Lebron and prime Wade is huge, but in reality would it work? My turn your turn? They had this problem in 2011. Allen with both prime Lebron/Wade would be only Klay version with worse defence. Prime Bosh also didn’t work with Wade and Lebron.

The same thing with KD and Green/Curry. You won’t get 2016 Green/Curry and prime KD at the same time. Prime West and Iggy would be the best fit including both teams. All time level defence would be added.

In reality I would like more GSW fit than Lebron/Wade my turn your turn.

Bosh = West
Battier < Green
Lebron > Durant
Allen = Klay
Wade = Curry

Iggy sweep everyone on the heat bench.

[spree8]

I’d go with the Warriors. The Heat team is definitely vastly improved, but I still feel the fit, style/system, and clear roles for the Warriors give them the edge.

I think the best lineups/rotations for these teams would be:


Steph/ Livingston
Klay/ Clark
Iggy/ Barnes
Durant/ West [6th]
Draymond/ Looney


Wade/ Chalmers
Ray/ Jones
Battier/ Miller
LeBron/ Lewis [6th]
Bosh/ Birdman

[PistolPeteJR]

Poll results are absolutely non-sensical. What a joke. How is this even close? That Heat team blow the '17 Warriors out of the water.

[McBubbles]

This doesn't really make sense. "Prime 2017 Warriors" is basically just the 2017 Warriors with a prime David West and Varejao. 90% of the team is the same.

Compare that to the Heat in which no one outside of Lebron or Chalmers was in their prime and it's a wash. The Prime 2013 Heat would take this easily imo. Am very surprised by the poll results.

[RCM88x]

This doesn't really make sense. "Prime 2017 Warriors" is basically just the 2017 Warriors with a prime David West and Varejao. 90% of the team is the same.

Compare that to the Heat in which no one outside of Lebron or Chalmers was in their prime and it's a wash. The Prime 2013 Heat would take this easily imo. Am very surprised by the poll results.

Andre Iguodala, Kevon Looney, and Matt Barnes as well.

For me an "all-prime" 2013 Heat are a significant departure from what they were in reality while the same version of the 2017 Warriors is the same team, just with better players. Much more difficult to project the Heat while the Warriors are quite easy... greatest team ever just upgraded. Plus I think the style of basketball the Warriors played was just superior to the Heat that it would take a lot to make that up, maybe more than just upgrading the quality of the players.