Ray Allen vs. Father time
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Ray Allen vs. Father time
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Ray Allen vs. Father time
which other recent players have gone from all-star to over the hill as fast as ray allen?
i'm thinking gary payton in 2004
i'm thinking gary payton in 2004
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mitchweber wrote:I don't think Ray's problem is that he's past his prime. I mean he might be a little, but this playoff series isn't a fair way to judge him IMO.
He's just in a monumental shooting slump right now. To say that it's because he's declining way faster than any pure shooter ever is pretty short-sighted.
I guess we'll see if Ray-Ray can do better against the Pistons. IMO, I think not.
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agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.
I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.
i don't think so
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It's a long season and Ray is pretty old. I guess it depends on what you mean by fast decline. I suppose it's possible he's washed up, but I think it's more likely that he has just reached an age where he needs to have played fewer minutes at this point of the season. He needs to be a 6th or 7th man, like Finley became. If they do that next season, he could be deadly again in limited minutes.
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Wade did not decline nearly that much, he played a bit gimpy. He went from Flash, back to normal Wade. Ray went from Jesus Shuttlesworth, to Walter Allen... Walter
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Agreed. He is declining a bit for sure, but nowhere near as much as some seem to think. He hasn't gone from All-Star to over the hill-- he's gone from All-Star to borderline All-Star/just below All-Star level. He was a very good player this year for the Celtics, he's just way off right now.mitchweber wrote:I don't think Ray's problem is that he's past his prime. I mean he might be a little, but this playoff series isn't a fair way to judge him IMO.
He's just in a monumental shooting slump right now. To say that it's because he's declining way faster than any pure shooter ever is pretty short-sighted.
I don't see any real reason to believe he's gone from one of the best shooters in the NBA to a terrible one over night (since game 6 of the Atlanta series)? It's an 8 game sample size where he's missing shots he has hit all his life. He'll bounce back, whether it's the Detroit series, the NBA finals or next season.
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dcash4 wrote:which other recent players have gone from all-star to over the hill as fast as ray allen?
i'm thinking gary payton in 2004
You have to cut Payton a little slack. 2004 was his 14th season; he'd played something like 42 to 43,000 regular seasons and playoff minutes. When you've got a peak as long and consistent as that, a dropoff is expected. And Payton was still pretty good in 2004 (and 2005).
Ray Allen is a good 8000 to 10000 mintues behind Payton in minutes played. And the fact that Ray Ray is a shooting slump now highlights what's been going on for a few years; he's lost some quickness, which affects his D and (interestingly) his ability to pass out of double teams or tough D. he's a much more one dimensional player now than he was 2 or 3 years ago, and when his one dimension isn't going for him, he looks pretty average out there.
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agentzerotoTO wrote:Shaq, Alonzo Mourning and somehow, Dwyane Wade.
I'm probably going to get a lot of slack for this, but, Dwyane Wade has seen the best days of his career.
How did Zo suddenly decline? He had a disease, and at his age, most people wouldn't have been able to come back and play a pro sport at a high level like he did. It's a testament to his work ethic and heart that he was able to come back after and play amazing defense in limited action. That's not a decline.
Sorry. couldn't cut u any slack for that one.