Rondo's rank as PG in the NBA

LiquidFire · Post #161 » by **LiquidFire** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:16 am

to be honest, i think rondo only has good stats because hes playing with the big 3. although his defense is good.

anyways, these are the PG's id rather have:

Nash
Paul
Deron
Kidd
Baron
Harris
Miller
Bibby
Felton
Kirk Hinrich
Delonte west
Boobie gibson
Jason terry
Allen iverson
Billups
Fisher
Mo Will
Foye
Nelson
Tony Parker
Jose calderon
TJ ford
Gilbert arenas

highlightstick · Post #162 » by **highlightstick** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:26 pm

Did you actually just say 'best defensive pg in the league'?

Come on. lol, B-Diddy's defense at its best makes Rondo look like Jameer Nelson

wigglestrue · Post #163 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:24 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358 ... int-guards

:lol:

That Nicka · Post #164 » by **That Nicka** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:58 pm

You are right... That is :lol:

worthy

thegreatblaze · Post #165 » by **thegreatblaze** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:02 pm

wigglestrue wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/53581-the-nbas-top-25-point-guards

Steve Nash #24. :lol:

Belacher report is not to be taken seriously. The fact that you even use it to boost your player is funny

wigglestrue · Post #166 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:21 pm

Clearly the criteria for that list was "which PG would you want to build a team around", not just a mere top 10 as of right now. I just thought it was funny to see Rondo at #2 on any kind of "top PG" list. I have zero desire to boost Rondo, I'm beyond that. Rondo will boost himself. You shall see!

Baller 24 · Post #167 » by **Baller 24** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:30 pm

Nash at 25, and all of those other PGs ahead of him just show you how credible that report is

wigglestrue · Post #168 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:43 pm

Again: ":lol:"

dsorc · Post #169 » by **dsorc** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:58 pm

That list is still wrong. I'm a big fan of Rondo but there's is no way I pick him over Deron, Parker, or Arenas as my franchise cornerstone.
My top 10 PGs to build a team around:
1. Paul
2. Deron
3. Arenas
4. Parker
5. Mo Williams
6. Baron
7. Rondo
8. Calderon
9. Ellis
10. Hinrich

The last 4 are almost interchangeable as are the first 2. Nash and Kidd while probably being two of the best PGs around don't fit because of age. As is the oldest of my 10 is Baron and he's 29 which made me think about dropping him lower.

tha_rock220 · Post #170 » by **tha_rock220** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:20 pm

Any NBA quality pg would have looked good playing for the Celtics last year. If you switched Rondo for Hinrich or Bibby, does anyone actually think the Bulls or Hawks would have improved that much???

Bank Shot · Post #171 » by **Bank Shot** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:35 pm

I have a hard time taking that list seriously after reading the comments below it. Apparently the guy thinks ZBO is a good defender but he just doesn't try. RIIGGGHHHTTTT

Baller 24 · Post #172 » by **Baller 24** » Wed Oct 1, 2008 2:08 am

Rondo is VERY tough to rank because he is a player that only fits certain teams. You can't expect to trade the man straight up for a PG and get fair average in return. He is a good PG for only certain teams looking for certain things. Well that is until he develops an accurate jump shot.

leevii · Post #173 » by **leevii** » Sat Oct 4, 2008 7:12 am

dsorc wrote:That list is still wrong. I'm a big fan of Rondo but there's is no way I pick him over Deron, Parker, or Arenas as my franchise cornerstone.
My top 10 PGs to build a team around:
1. Paul
2. Deron
3. Arenas
4. Parker
5. Mo Williams
6. Baron
7. Rondo
8. Calderon
9. Ellis
10. Hinrich

The last 4 are almost interchangeable as are the first 2. Nash and Kidd while probably being two of the best PGs around don't fit because of age. As is the oldest of my 10 is Baron and he's 29 which made me think about dropping him lower.

rrrriiight....

Post #174 » by **tkb** » Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:26 am

Rondo is a very solid young player, but I wouldn't take him over guys like Devin Harris just yet. I value Harris very highly though. I think he's a terrific defender, like Rondo but has a much better offensive game.

Looking past Deron Williams and Chris Paul, there aren't many young PGs I'd take over Harris right now.

Post #175 » by **gswhoops** » Sat Oct 4, 2008 9:34 pm

leevii wrote:
dsorc wrote:That list is still wrong. I'm a big fan of Rondo but there's is no way I pick him over Deron, Parker, or Arenas as my franchise cornerstone.
My top 10 PGs to build a team around:
1. Paul
2. Deron
3. Arenas
4. Parker
5. Mo Williams
6. Baron
7. Rondo
8. Calderon
9. Ellis
10. Hinrich

The last 4 are almost interchangeable as are the first 2. Nash and Kidd while probably being two of the best PGs around don't fit because of age. As is the oldest of my 10 is Baron and he's 29 which made me think about dropping him lower.

rrrriiight....

Yeah, that's what I thought...Mo Williams over Baron, Ellis, Calderon? Dayum.

Post #176 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:00 am

I still feel like people miss the point with Rondo.

Forgetting Rondo, i.e. you might not think the following applie to Rondo, I'd be curious to see how people would rank a player with the following attributes.

#1 defensive PG, #2 in steals per game
#2 rebounder at PG, rebounds better than almost all guard, half of SF
Almost exactly at the average for PG on scoring, assists, and turnovers

Where would people rank such a hypothetical player, even if you don't think that describes Rondo?

Post #177 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:04 am

I still feel like people miss the point with Rondo.

Forgetting Rondo, i.e. you might not think the following applie to Rondo, I'd be curious to see how people would rank a player with the following attributes.

#1 defensive PG, #2 in steals per game
#2 rebounder at PG, rebounds better than almost all guard, half of SF
Almost exactly at the average for PG on scoring, assists, and turnovers

Where would people rank such a hypothetical player, even if you don't think that describes Rondo?

dsorc · Post #178 » by **dsorc** » Sun Oct 5, 2008 3:55 am

gswhoops wrote:
leevii wrote:
dsorc wrote:That list is still wrong. I'm a big fan of Rondo but there's is no way I pick him over Deron, Parker, or Arenas as my franchise cornerstone.
My top 10 PGs to build a team around:
1. Paul
2. Deron
3. Arenas
4. Parker
5. Mo Williams
6. Baron
7. Rondo
8. Calderon
9. Ellis
10. Hinrich

The last 4 are almost interchangeable as are the first 2. Nash and Kidd while probably being two of the best PGs around don't fit because of age. As is the oldest of my 10 is Baron and he's 29 which made me think about dropping him lower.

rrrriiight....

Yeah, that's what I thought...Mo Williams over Baron, Ellis, Calderon? Dayum.

For building a franchise around, Williams is not a bad choice. He's only 25 and more proven and arguably a better offensive weapon than both Calderon and Ellis. He's worse than Baron, but if the premise is "PG to build franchsie around", Baron's age and injury history count heavily against him.

Blame Rasho · Post #179 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:09 am

dsorc wrote:For building a franchise around, Williams is not a bad choice. He's only 25 and more proven and arguably a better offensive weapon than both Calderon and Ellis. He's worse than Baron, but if the premise is "PG to build franchsie around", Baron's age and injury history count heavily against him.

Um... NO

DrunkOnMystery · Post #180 » by **DrunkOnMystery** » Sun Oct 5, 2008 12:12 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:I still feel like people miss the point with Rondo.

Forgetting Rondo, i.e. you might not think the following applie to Rondo, I'd be curious to see how people would rank a player with the following attributes.

#1 defensive PG, #2 in steals per game
#2 rebounder at PG, rebounds better than almost all guard, half of SF
Almost exactly at the average for PG on scoring, assists, and turnovers

Where would people rank such a hypothetical player, even if you don't think that describes Rondo?

First of all, it's quite an assumption to say that Rondo is the #1 defensive PG(he isn't. Not even close).

But really, unless the person responding to this post is John Hollinger, they wouldn't judge a player by looking at a stat sheet. Randolph puts up better stats than David Lee does, but I'd still rate Lee as being a far more valuable player.

Looking at stats without seeing games in order to gauge their meaning is worthless.