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CB-Blazer wrote:

Showtime:Part2 wrote:gallo by far. beasely just doesn't look like the type of guy that is going to give a damn. when you have two players that are similar talent wise, you go with the harder working one.

It's posts like these that get applied to all Knick fans.

"Gallo by far" are you ridiculous? You sir are a fricken homer.

Also, how do you know how hard Beasley works? I haven't heard one peep about Beasley having anything but a good work ethic.

see this is the problem i have with people like you

calling someone named SHOWTIME a knick homer and calling out all knick fans

showtime.. showtime, as in, showtime LAKERS, you know, magic johnson, pat riley, etc? as in LA, not new york..

not to mention, a sig with KOBE BRYANT

..

Right now, as a pure comparison between the 2 players, this is somewhat close. Stats aren't too far apart, Beasley has talent on his side, Danilo has personality on his.

The lopsidedness of the poll only illustrates there are more Knick homers than Miami homers on this site (not to mention Beasley seems to be universally hated on RealGM).

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Right now, as a pure comparison between the 2 players, this is somewhat close. Stats aren't too far apart, Beasley has talent on his side, Danilo has personality on his.

The lopsidedness of the poll only illustrates there are more Knick homers than Miami homers on this site (not to mention Beasley seems to be universally hated on RealGM).

LOL, nice try. Not believing Beasley is a future perennial all NBA, 37/12/8/5/3 player is not "hate".

Kosar86 wrote:And this just sums up knicks fans knowledge....if you play with an elite scorer...your numbers will actually go up.

Yeah, the 21 shots a game Wade takes will lead to a ton or more opportunities.

The rest of the Heat take 58 shots a game...while the knicks, except for their #1 shot guy harrington, take 70 shots a game.

Gallo would get a ton of more looks!

And this is why you say and believe dumb things like "Cavs are a playoff team without Lebron" and compare Bron's supporting cast to the Bulls, Magic, and Lakers.

Gallo isn't a volume shooter. His TS% is 61% and eFG% is 57.9%. He is averaging 1.34 points per shot. OTOH, Beasley's TS% is 51.4% and his eFG% is 46.2%. He is averaging 1.14 points per shot. Right now, Beasley is taking 3.5 more FGA than Gallinari yet he's only scoring two more points per game. If Gallo were to play off the ball with Wade, he's going to get cleaner looks, which will most likely further increase his percentages and shooting efficiency. The point is this - he can make up for less touches by scoring at a higher rate of efficiency. Considering that Gallo's already averaging 3.5 less FGA than Beasley right now, it's certainly not inconceivable that Gallo will produce better offensive numbers than what Beasley is currently putting up now.

WadeKnicks2010 wrote:

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Right now, as a pure comparison between the 2 players, this is somewhat close. Stats aren't too far apart, Beasley has talent on his side, Danilo has personality on his.

The lopsidedness of the poll only illustrates there are more Knick homers than Miami homers on this site (not to mention Beasley seems to be universally hated on RealGM).

LOL, nice try. Not believing Beasley is a future perennial all NBA, 37/12/8/5/3 player is not "hate".

Seriously you used to be a decent poster, but the fact that you constantly troll any thread with Beasley in it is getting tiring. You're not naive either, stop playing dumb or I'm seriously gonna have to add you to my ignore list.

You are the polar opposite of canefandynasty, you're both trolls though.

moral of the story

knicks with beasley; knicks fans going head over heals to make him the 2nd coming of jesus.

miami with gallinari: martin mursepp v2 anyone?

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:

WadeKnicks2010 wrote:

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Right now, as a pure comparison between the 2 players, this is somewhat close. Stats aren't too far apart, Beasley has talent on his side, Danilo has personality on his.

The lopsidedness of the poll only illustrates there are more Knick homers than Miami homers on this site (not to mention Beasley seems to be universally hated on RealGM).

LOL, nice try. Not believing Beasley is a future perennial all NBA, 37/12/8/5/3 player is not "hate".

Seriously you used to be a decent poster, but the fact that you constantly troll any thread with Beasley in it is getting tiring. You're not naive either, stop playing dumb or I'm seriously gonna have to add you to my ignore list.

You are the polar opposite of canefandynasty, you're both trolls though.

OOOOOOOOOooooo you're gonna add him to the ignore list!

NYKnick87 wrote:

Kosar86 wrote:And this just sums up knicks fans knowledge....if you play with an elite scorer...your numbers will actually go up.

Yeah, the 21 shots a game Wade takes will lead to a ton or more opportunities.

The rest of the Heat take 58 shots a game...while the knicks, except for their #1 shot guy harrington, take 70 shots a game.

Gallo would get a ton of more looks!

And this is why you say and believe dumb things like "Cavs are a playoff team without Lebron" and compare Bron's supporting cast to the Bulls, Magic, and Lakers.

Gallo isn't a volume shooter. His TS% is 61% and eFG% is 57.9%. He is averaging 1.34 points per shot. OTOH, Beasley's TS% is 51.4% and his eFG% is 46.2%. He is averaging 1.14 points per shot. Right now, Beasley is taking 3.5 more FGA than Gallinari yet he's only scoring two more points per game. If Gallo were to play off the ball with Wade, he's going to get cleaner looks, which will most likely further increase his percentages and shooting efficiency. The point is this - he can make up for less touches by scoring at a higher rate of efficiency. Considering that Gallo's already averaging 3.5 less FGA than Beasley right now, it's certainly not inconceivable that Gallo will produce better offensive numbers than what Beasley is currently putting up now.

ah, so he shoots 58%, and the "cleanliness" of his shots is decent, he may be open by 4 feet...however, with wade, his cleanliness factor will increase to maybe 6 feet per shot, so his shooting percentage will also increase.

Apparently Danielle never misses an open shot and the only shots he misses are because of cleanliness. got it.

Of course Beasley is taking more shots, he can create his own shot better cause he can mix it up with 3s, midrange, and drives to the basket......if he was in NY hed be taking even more shots and scoring more since theres no clear 1st option on that team and theres a lot more shots to go around.

Hes not playing off of Wade that much really, somebody posted the stat already that a much higher percenteage of Gallos points are assisted. How you think that Gallo playing in a halfcourt team like the Heat would benefit more than playing in a team that pushes the ball..spreads the floor with shooters.. and everyone has the freedom to take any type of shot with no clear 1st option..is beyond me.

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:Of course Beasley is taking more shots, he can create his own shot better cause he can mix it up with 3s, midrange, and drives to the basket......if he was in NY hed be taking even more shots and scoring more since theres no clear 1st option on that team and theres a lot more shots to go around.

Hes not playing off of Wade that much really, somebody posted the stat already that a much higher percenteage of Gallos points are assisted. How you think that Gallo playing in a halfcourt team like the Heat would benefit more than playing in a team that pushes the ball..spreads the floor with shooters.. and everyone has the freedom to take any type of shot with no clear 1st option..is beyond me.

So all of a sudden we got shooters on our team? Al is shooting 32.5% from downton, WC is shooting 28.8%, Hughes is at 32.5%, and Duhon is shooting 31.5%, JJ is shooting 26.7% from downtown. Lee doesn't take 3s. So of all our rotation players, Danilo is our only shooter.

And another reason why this whole pace argument is absurd - the Knicks average 95.4 possesions per 48 whereas the Heat average 91.2 possessions per 48. Do people really think those 4 extra possessions will benefit Beasley? We are not talking about a significant differential here, but rather a minor one. If you want to seriously consider the effects of pace, you're better off comparing players that play on teams with a larger pace differential.

Beasley is a #2 option with a usage % around 25%. His usage %/Efg% from last season put him in very rare company as far as young players go with guys like Lebron/durant/shaq and spencer haywood (the only other players aged 20 or younger with at least 2000 minutes and at least 25% usage % to have a higher Efg% than beasley). gallo's usage percentage is around 19%, which makes him the #4 option on the knicks. The gallo/beasley comparisons are skewed just as a jared dudley/anthony morrow/channing frye/matt bonner/boris diaw/JJ redick vs. danillo galinari comparison would be. I believe that none of those players are as good as danilo, but because their usage % is lower and they play off the other players on their teams more, they have similar shooting percentages.

Beasley is on his way to becoming a good #2 option. My guess is that if you gave danilo the ball 25% more, with 15% fewer assists, those shooting percentages, as impressive as they are, would fall a bit, and his turnover % would rise as his assist % fell. They have very different styles of play, so give this comparison time. If they both reach their potential, beasley will be the better player. He's like a chris bosh (#1/#2 option/with a drive and pull up game), whereas galinari is more like a rashard lewis (#3 option/long range shooter).

Flash3 wrote:moral of the story

knicks with beasley; knicks fans going head over heals to make him the 2nd coming of jesus.

miami with gallinari: martin mursepp v2 anyone?

Moral of the story.

Miami with Gallinari: Martin Muursepp
This might be as ignorant as they come.
Gallo has hit more three's than Muursepp ever attempted.
Comparing Gallo to a guy whose career best is 6 points and three rebounds... rounded up.
A guy whose three point average is 32% percent, well because he was a scrub for three of those years.

However it's wrong to thing something of Gallo.

Gallo has things he's better at.
Beasley has things he's better at.
All in all there are a lot closer then people want to admit.

However if we want to play the ignorant game.
Beasley is a bust, no denying it.
Durant averaged 25 points in his second year.
Beasley is averaging 15 as of now.

See we to can make things up that make no sense.

Will Beasley ever be the shooter Gallo is now and will become? Not even close.
WIll Gallo ever be the high riser that Beasley is? No.

Problem is with all of this, is that Heat fans expected Beasley to be the third coming of Jesus.
Knick fans just wanted someone who is good, we got him.

Manhattan Project wrote:

Flash3 wrote:moral of the story

knicks with beasley; knicks fans going head over heals to make him the 2nd coming of jesus.

miami with gallinari: martin mursepp v2 anyone?

Moral of the story.

Miami with Gallinari: Martin Muursepp
This might be as ignorant as they come.
Gallo has hit more three's than Muursepp ever attempted.
Comparing Gallo to a guy whose career best is 6 points and three rebounds... rounded up.
A guy whose three point average is 32% percent, well because he was a scrub for three of those years.

However it's wrong to thing something of Gallo.

Gallo has things he's better at.
Beasley has things he's better at.
All in all there are a lot closer then people want to admit.

However if we want to play the ignorant game.
Beasley is a bust, no denying it.
Durant averaged 25 points in his second year.
Beasley is averaging 15 as of now.

See we to can make things up that make no sense.

Will Beasley ever be the shooter Gallo is now and will become? Not even close.
WIll Gallo ever be the high riser that Beasley is? No.

Problem is with all of this, is that Heat fans expected Beasley to be the third coming of Jesus.
Knick fans just wanted someone who is good, we got him.

Did you actually take my comment at face value?

Miami and International players aren't a good mix, hence why I said Martin Mursepp and not another Int'l bust, if I was trying to actually make a point.

Manhattan Project wrote:Problem is with all of this, is that Heat fans expected Beasley to be the third coming of Jesus.
Knick fans just wanted someone who is good, we got him.

Who's the 2nd coming? -- Tony Douglas?

Flash3 wrote:Did you actually take my comment at face value?

Miami and International players aren't a good mix, hence why I said Martin Mursepp and not another Int'l bust, if I was trying to actually make a point.

Evidently I did.

PPG: Gallo: 13.6 Beasley: 15.6
FG%: Gallo: 44.2 Beasley: 44.7
3P%: Gallo: 43.8 Beasley: 22.0
FT: Gallo: 2.3 a game, Beasley: 3.5 a game.
APG: Gallo: 1.5 Beasley: 1.1
TO's: Gallo: 1.3 Beasley: 1.7
Double Doubles: Gallo: 3 Beasley: 5
Blocks: Gallo: .87 Beasley: .56

Again not something that either blows each other out of the water to the point OMG THERE SO MUCH BETTER. It comes down to the needs of the team and coach.

Kosar86 wrote:

NYKnick87 wrote:

Kosar86 wrote:And this just sums up knicks fans knowledge....if you play with an elite scorer...your numbers will actually go up.

Yeah, the 21 shots a game Wade takes will lead to a ton or more opportunities.

The rest of the Heat take 58 shots a game...while the knicks, except for their #1 shot guy harrington, take 70 shots a game.

Gallo would get a ton of more looks!

And this is why you say and believe dumb things like "Cavs are a playoff team without Lebron" and compare Bron's supporting cast to the Bulls, Magic, and Lakers.

Gallo isn't a volume shooter. His TS% is 61% and eFG% is 57.9%. He is averaging 1.34 points per shot. OTOH, Beasley's TS% is 51.4% and his eFG% is 46.2%. He is averaging 1.14 points per shot. Right now, Beasley is taking 3.5 more FGA than Gallinari yet he's only scoring two more points per game. If Gallo were to play off the ball with Wade, he's going to get cleaner looks, which will most likely further increase his percentages and shooting efficiency. The point is this - he can make up for less touches by scoring at a higher rate of efficiency. Considering that Gallo's already averaging 3.5 less FGA than Beasley right now, it's certainly not inconceivable that Gallo will produce better offensive numbers than what Beasley is currently putting up now.

ah, so he shoots 58%, and the "cleanliness" of his shots is decent, he may be open by 4 feet...however, with wade, his cleanliness factor will increase to maybe 6 feet per shot, so his shooting percentage will also increase.

Apparently Danielle never misses an open shot and the only shots he misses are because of cleanliness. got it.

You never have anything of substance to say. Got it.

NYKnick87 wrote:

Kosar86 wrote:

NYKnick87 wrote:[Yeah, the 21 shots a game Wade takes will lead to a ton or more opportunities.

The rest of the Heat take 58 shots a game...while the knicks, except for their #1 shot guy harrington, take 70 shots a game.

Gallo would get a ton of more looks!

And this is why you say and believe dumb things like "Cavs are a playoff team without Lebron" and compare Bron's supporting cast to the Bulls, Magic, and Lakers.

Gallo isn't a volume shooter. His TS% is 61% and eFG% is 57.9%. He is averaging 1.34 points per shot. OTOH, Beasley's TS% is 51.4% and his eFG% is 46.2%. He is averaging 1.14 points per shot. Right now, Beasley is taking 3.5 more FGA than Gallinari yet he's only scoring two more points per game. If Gallo were to play off the ball with Wade, he's going to get cleaner looks, which will most likely further increase his percentages and shooting efficiency. The point is this - he can make up for less touches by scoring at a higher rate of efficiency. Considering that Gallo's already averaging 3.5 less FGA than Beasley right now, it's certainly not inconceivable that Gallo will produce better offensive numbers than what Beasley is currently putting up now.

ah, so he shoots 58%, and the "cleanliness" of his shots is decent, he may be open by 4 feet...however, with wade, his cleanliness factor will increase to maybe 6 feet per shot, so his shooting percentage will also increase.

Apparently Danielle never misses an open shot and the only shots he misses are because of cleanliness. got it.

NYKnick87 wrote:You never have anything of substance to say. Got it.

coming from a guy who thinks getting less shots will lead to more points.....

LMAO
is this even serious?
Beasley by a wide margin

Way too much homerism going on in this thread going both ways.

All I want to say is that Gallo's defense is vastly underrated. Kid is the second best defender on the Knicks after Jeffries (yes better than Larry Hughes). He's active, blocks shots, strips the ball and always keeps the offensive player in front of him.

I am not concerned about his offense even though he does need to be more aggressive, but the skills he has shown on defense have absolutely exceeded my expectations. It seems like every game now he has a couple blocks.

Hemispheres wrote:Way too much homerism going on in this thread going both ways.

All I want to say is that Gallo's defense is vastly underrated.

lol, irony?

Hemispheres wrote:Kid is the second best defender on the Knicks.

This is like being valedictorian of summer school.

Hemispheres wrote: It seems like every game now he has a couple blocks.

Or 7 out of 24 games, with zero 3 block games.

YounG_A wrote:LMAO
is this even serious?
Beasley by a wide margin

Let me guess, because of the ish, and the swag and the... Sorry i'm out. Would you help me out? Did you even see him play?