Beasley or Gallinari?

Post #201 » by **5DOM** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:50 pm

Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

Because even number is better than odd number

Post #202 » by **Flash3** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:22 pm

Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

As he grows older in the league and learns, he's going to use the 3 point shot as a threat to pump-fake and create space for a shot, or for an easier shot closer to the basket. He just needs time.

No one's getting on his case, but when you take that many, you are going to hit a good % of them. But, for what people have stated here that he does do more than just shoot the 3, he's taking low % shots as opposed to high % shots given he has the ability, as people say.

Post #203 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:57 am

Manhattan Project wrote:
YounG_A wrote:LMAO
is this even serious?
Beasley by a wide margin

Your a Heat fan, so what makes it any better?

How about you come with an argument...

I believe YounG_A is a Houston fan, if I remember correctly.

Jimmy76 · Post #204 » by **Jimmy76** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:59 am

im for Beaz as a Suns fan

YounG_A · Post #205 » by **YounG_A** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:40 am

Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

that's all he does... is shoot 3s

Hemispheres · Post #206 » by **Hemispheres** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:54 am

Kosar86 wrote:
Hemispheres wrote:Way too much homerism going on in this thread going both ways.

All I want to say is that Gallo's defense is vastly underrated.

lol, irony?

Uh no, maybe the word you were looking for was contradictory. However pointing out a common misconception about Gallo is far from homerism.

Nice try though (Now that's irony!).

Kosar86 wrote:
Hemispheres wrote:Kid is the second best defender on the Knicks.

This is like being valedictorian of summer school.

Which only dilutes the supposed homerism you tried to accuse me of. Still though while the Knicks are far from a elite defensive team they do have a number of decent one-on-one defenders (Larry Hughes, Wilson Chandler, and the a fore mentioned Jeffries.

Kosar86 wrote:
Hemispheres wrote: It seems like every game now he has a couple blocks.

Or 7 out of 24 games, with zero 3 block games.

I posted this on the 16th and in each of the three games before that he happened to have had two blocks.

Gallo certainly has some flaws (mainly falling in love with the 3 too often and a general lack of aggressiveness on occasion) but he is far from your typical spot up shooter who can do little else.

bringinhinkie · Post #207 » by **bringinhinkie** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:18 am

YounG_A wrote:
Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

that's all he does... is shoot 3s

thats wrong.. obviously he shoots a ton, i mean the knicks as a team shot 47 the other night, he is told if you have an open 3, you take it and the team as a whole lacks offense so again, when hes shooting 43% from there, you tell him to chuck em rather than harrington/chandler/etc

but if you think thats all he does, you simply havent watched him

http://fromthebaseline.com/videos/1249- ... 2#JOSC_TOP (short mix from a few weeks ago)

also, hes only played about 50 games in the league! hes very advanced/polished for a guy with less than a rookie season worth of games under his belt and at only 21

we wont see his real game till the knicks establish a credible offense without garbage/fools gold like duhon/harrington running it

LebronsCavs · Post #208 » by **LebronsCavs** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:23 am

Flash3 wrote:
Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

As he grows older in the league and learns, he's going to use the 3 point shot as a threat to pump-fake and create space for a shot, or for an easier shot closer to the basket. He just needs time.

No one's getting on his case, but when you take that many, you are going to hit a good % of them. But, for what people have stated here that he does do more than just shoot the 3, he's taking low % shots as opposed to high % shots given he has the ability, as people say.

lol wut?

Jimmy76 · Post #209 » by **Jimmy76** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:27 am

LebronsCavs wrote:
Flash3 wrote:
Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

As he grows older in the league and learns, he's going to use the 3 point shot as a threat to pump-fake and create space for a shot, or for an easier shot closer to the basket. He just needs time.

No one's getting on his case, but when you take that many, you are going to hit a good % of them. But, for what people have stated here that he does do more than just shoot the 3, he's taking low % shots as opposed to high % shots given he has the ability, as people say.

lol wut?

im confused too :lol:

Im supporting Beaz but Gallanari is more than a spot up shooter

Gallinari4three · Post #210 » by **Gallinari4three** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:33 am

Flash3 wrote:
Alfred wrote:Why are people getting on Gallinari's case for shooting the 3? It's one of the best shots in basketball, and he shoots it with incredible accuracy.

As he grows older in the league and learns, he's going to use the 3 point shot as a threat to pump-fake and create space for a shot, or for an easier shot closer to the basket. He just needs time.

No one's getting on his case, but when you take that many, you are going to hit a good % of them. But, for what people have stated here that he does do more than just shoot the 3, he's taking low % shots as opposed to high % shots given he has the ability, as people say.

You should definitely see Al Harrington play and see if you still believe that.

You guys are comparing two totally different players. But what do you think at the end of the day is going to help a team win? I'm being biased here only because I barely seen Beasley play and when I did i pretty much saw the same thing over and over. Also I never judge a player by looking at a boxscore.

I'm not going to say who I pick because my username is clear on who I would take at the end of the day, but for those who do criticize Gallo should really just see the little things he does on the court and how much his team avoids him, and if they didn't how much the Knicks team would be. Now take those little things and think if one of the players on your team had the ability to do what he does every night, (a little bit of everything) will they win more games? Chances are yes they would.

ronnymac2 · Post #211 » by **ronnymac2** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:55 am

I'll take Gallo. He doesn't really get to show his passing/playmaking (really due to role, and possibly because he's not really confident displaying that yet), but he can really be a special passer. His defense is actually good, too. He's not shutting anybody down, but he's a good team defender, slightly below average man defender (though improving), and he'll get you some blocks, steals, and rebounds. He plays intelligently on both sides of the ball. His shooting has probably been chronicled in this thread enough.

Be eeaasyyy Beasley is good, too. I think he'll be a good scorer/rebounder foward who plays alright defense, but I think Gallo will turn out to be a unique player in the league, or at least a rare player. I'm not bestowing a future special status on him right now; I think he's going to be very good though.

YounG_A · Post #212 » by **YounG_A** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:47 pm

to end this ridiculously discussion
let's see what NBA writers have to say.

Which sophomore would you rather have:
Michael Beasley or Danilo Gallinari?

Abbott: Beasley might be one of the only potential future MVPs who can be had on the cheap. But Gallinari is one of the biggest and best spot-up shooters in NBA history, and he plays some D, too. Any team could use a guy like that. Another question: What's more likely to go haywire: Gallinari's back or Beasley's judgment?

Broussard: Beasley. His talent is greater than Gallinari's and though he's got a long way to go, he's showing signs of maturity. Gallinari's a great shooter, but Beasley's got more versatility.

Ford: Beasley. He's a more complete player. He rebounds, he can score inside and he doesn't have a bad back.

Hollinger: Beasley. Gallinari is a better shooter, but Beasley is the better athlete and has more ways to develop his game in the future. Additionally, there's the issue of Gallinari's back. Gallo will be a great shooter for many years, but Beasley is the only one of the two with All-NBA potential.

Sheridan: Beasley. I'll take the multidimensional player over the one-trick specialist every time, and it's a bonus that Beasley can shoot 3s, too. Plus, Gallinari gets attacked every night on defense.

source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... cks-091224

NYK 455 · Post #213 » by **NYK 455** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:04 pm

YounG_A wrote:to end this ridiculously discussion
let's see what NBA writers have to say.

Which sophomore would you rather have:
Michael Beasley or Danilo Gallinari?

Abbott: Beasley might be one of the only potential future MVPs who can be had on the cheap. But Gallinari is one of the biggest and best spot-up shooters in NBA history, and he plays some D, too. Any team could use a guy like that. Another question: What's more likely to go haywire: Gallinari's back or Beasley's judgment?

Broussard: Beasley. His talent is greater than Gallinari's and though he's got a long way to go, he's showing signs of maturity. Gallinari's a great shooter, but Beasley's got more versatility.

Ford: Beasley. He's a more complete player. He rebounds, he can score inside and he doesn't have a bad back.

Hollinger: Beasley. Gallinari is a better shooter, but Beasley is the better athlete and has more ways to develop his game in the future. Additionally, there's the issue of Gallinari's back. Gallo will be a great shooter for many years, but Beasley is the only one of the two with All-NBA potential.

Sheridan: Beasley. I'll take the multidimensional player over the one-trick specialist every time, and it's a bonus that Beasley can shoot 3s, too. Plus, Gallinari gets attacked every night on defense.

source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... cks-091224

Just because a bunch of ESPN writers say something, doesn't make it true. Sheridan for one has no idea what he's talking about. Gallinari is more than a one trick specialist. He's shown that he's an above average defender with solid shotblocking and is a good passer. Sheridan probably knows less about the game of basketball than some of the worst posters on here. I'm positive that he's never seen Gallo play, he's only seen the box score. And Hollinger is wrong, Gallo certainly has the potential to be an all-star.

Kosar86 · Post #214 » by **Kosar86** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:46 pm

NYK 455 wrote:
YounG_A wrote:to end this ridiculously discussion
let's see what NBA writers have to say.

Which sophomore would you rather have:
Michael Beasley or Danilo Gallinari?

Abbott: Beasley might be one of the only potential future MVPs who can be had on the cheap. But Gallinari is one of the biggest and best spot-up shooters in NBA history, and he plays some D, too. Any team could use a guy like that. Another question: What's more likely to go haywire: Gallinari's back or Beasley's judgment?

Broussard: Beasley. His talent is greater than Gallinari's and though he's got a long way to go, he's showing signs of maturity. Gallinari's a great shooter, but Beasley's got more versatility.

Ford: Beasley. He's a more complete player. He rebounds, he can score inside and he doesn't have a bad back.

Hollinger: Beasley. Gallinari is a better shooter, but Beasley is the better athlete and has more ways to develop his game in the future. Additionally, there's the issue of Gallinari's back. Gallo will be a great shooter for many years, but Beasley is the only one of the two with All-NBA potential.

Sheridan: Beasley. I'll take the multidimensional player over the one-trick specialist every time, and it's a bonus that Beasley can shoot 3s, too. Plus, Gallinari gets attacked every night on defense.

source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... cks-091224

Just because a bunch of ESPN writers say something, doesn't make it true. Sheridan for one has no idea what he's talking about. Gallinari is more than a one trick specialist. He's shown that he's an above average defender with solid shotblocking and is a good passer. Sheridan probably knows less about the game of basketball than some of the worst posters on here. I'm positive that he's never seen Gallo play, he's only seen the box score. And Hollinger is wrong, Gallo certainly has the potential to be an all-star.

Wow, if one post could ever be used as the gold standard example of the views of Knicks posters on here this is it.

The beginning of every post a knicks fan makes comparing, analyzing and/or predicting the talent level of a knicks player should begin with a warning that the post is authored by someone who believes the following....followed by the above post....followed by the Billy Madison warning that if you continue to read the rest of the post, once finished, you will actually be dumber for having read it.

Johnny Firpo · Post #215 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:53 pm

Sheridan: Plus, Gallinari gets attacked every night on defense.

Really, that only shows how freakin' clueless they are. C'mon, it's ESPN. They're probably the same who hyped Beasley, plus they're american... You honestly think they're gonna choose the european guy? Don't get me wrong, you can choose Beasley, it's a legimitate choice, but the fact that you think this is a ridiculous comparison, is laughable.

Jimmy76 · Post #216 » by **Jimmy76** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:17 pm

both have a lot of development left

NYK 455 · Post #217 » by **NYK 455** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:55 pm

How do you figure? What's wrong with what I posted? Unlike you Kosar, I've actually watched Gallinari play, you troll. I didn't say he was an all-star right now, but he certainly has the potential to be. And anyone who watches the Knicks play consistently will tell you he can do more than shoot threes.

Dr Positivity · Post #218 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:34 pm

Going with Gallo because of his attitude (I don't think Beasley is any worse mentally than Melo, but Gallo is fiesty)

Beasley will never be the guy he was in the college because he can't play in the post anymore, he's too undersized.

Walid · Post #219 » by **Walid** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:35 pm

Gallo <3

Dr Positivity · Post #220 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:43 pm

I still feel like if we lose Bosh, then Colangelo will somehow, someway mold the next era into a Rubio/Bargnani or Gallinari/Bargnani combo. I don't know how he'll do it, but it would be a total "Well that makes sense" moment He's been a wiz with trades before. Maybe we'll S&T Bosh for Gallo/Curry/Jeffries after Lebron agrees to sign there with Bosh, OR Minny will get the Wall pick and we'll trade Derozan and some stuff for Rubio. Something like that

Who's the better player now and in the future?