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Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:16 pm
by Jamaaliver
So much has changed in the last 18 months for the Hawks young core.
Collins, Reddish, Huerter have all been traded away (for modest returns). But a new crop of young'ns has emerged with some serious potential.
So who's the top players under 23 for this team?
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:43 pm
by jayu70
23 and under
PG: Bufkin (19) , TyTy (21)
SG: Lundy (23)*, Vit (23) *
SF: Griffin (19)
PF: Johnson (21), Garuba (21)
C - Okongwu (22), Gueye (20)
* missed the under by 90 days and 12 days
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 10:48 pm
by Jamaaliver
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:08 pm
by Jamaaliver
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:35 pm
by Geaux_Hawks
My vote for the top prospect.
1. JJ
2. OO
3. Bufkin
4. Griffin
5.Gueye/Usman
6. Lundy
7. Vit(I think he has more promise than shown)
8. Tyty
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:47 pm
by Jamaaliver
Geaux_Hawks wrote:My vote for the top prospect.
1. JJ
2. OO
3. Bufkin
4. Griffin
5.Gueye/Usman
6. Lundy
7. Vit(I think he has more promise than shown)
8. Tyty
There's no wrong answers here...
BUT TYTY in last place?!?!?You're going to like him, dude. He, AJ and Bufkin honestly probably make DeJounte expendable.
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sat Jul 1, 2023 11:58 pm
by jayu70
jayu70 wrote:23 and under
PG: Bufkin (19) , TyTy (21)
SG: Lundy (23)*, Vit (23) *
SF: Griffin (19)
PF: Johnson (21), Garuba (21)
C - Okongwu (22), Gueye (20)
* missed the under by 90 days and 12 days
1A. JJ - his skillset is so tantalizing
1B. OO - I initially wanted to put him first, but I need him to 'explode'
2. AJ - his footwork, shooting and feel for the game at just 19
3. Bufkin
4. Gueye - I just have a feeling
5. TyTy
6. Garuba
7. Vit
8. Lundy
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:02 am
by Geaux_Hawks
Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:My vote for the top prospect.
1. JJ
2. OO
3. Bufkin
4. Griffin
5.Gueye/Usman
6. Lundy
7. Vit(I think he has more promise than shown)
8. Tyty
There's no wrong answers here...
BUT TYTY in last place?!?!?You're going to like him, dude. He, AJ and Bufkin honestly probably make DeJounte expendable.
It's not that I don't like him. I just don't see much beyond him becoming just a good backup PG. On the flipside, I think someone like Vit just needs an opportunity. Lundy doesn't have a ton of upside, but he's got an elite skill as a shooter at least. Gueye/Usman are raw, but both have a lot of upside. Usman in particular. The top 4 is just all upside from here.
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:33 am
by King Ken
Can start
1. OO
High end backup
Bey
2. JJ
3. Griffin
Backups:
4. Usman
5. Bufkin
AAA prospects:
6. Gueye
7. Lundy
8. Tyty
9. Martin
10. Vit
Upside if fully developed
Star
1. Gueye
High end role player w/ slightly higher all star possibilities
2. AJ
3. OO
Starting rotational player w/ all star possibilities
4. JJ
5. Bufkin
Starting rotational player
Bey
6. Usman
7. TyTy
Backup rotational players.
8. Lundy
9. Martin
10. Vit
Forgot about Bey, added him
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 12:45 am
by King Ken
There are only 6 players on this team I trust.
Bogi
Capela
OO
Hunter
Murray
And Trae.
Everyone else got to earn that trust
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 1:07 am
by Jamaaliver
Pretty dope we have the top 2 of these underrated young players currently on our roster:
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:03 am
by King Ken
Jamaaliver wrote:Pretty dope we have the top 2 of these underrated young players currently on our roster:
This is the most stacked Hawks team ever. The cupboard is FULL. We just gotta develop everyone and I mean everyone. From Trae to Norris
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:52 am
by Jamaaliver
King Ken wrote:This is the most stacked Hawks team ever. The cupboard is FULL...
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Sun Jul 2, 2023 5:44 pm
by tbhawksfan1
I'm going to have to do a tier thing
OO because he has already established himself as a starter worthy player
JJ / AJ because I see both of these guys having potential to be starters soon
Bufkin I would have put him with JJ / AJ but rookie
Gueye / Usman / Lundy / Tyty I'm just going to put all these guys together. I really like the two bigs. Lundy could turn into what Heurter was supposed to be and Tyty has every chance to be a solid back up PG
Vit... we'll see
If I squint I could see these guys as the product of a three year rebuild with a lot of potential. If QS and the Hawks get totally serious and efficient at development, a few of these guys could be a big part of the Hawks in the coming years
When you think that these guys are developing behind a solid group of:
Trae / Murray / Bogy / hunter / Bey / CC it's really something to look forward to. All but Bogy and CC are young to very young
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:40 pm
by Jamaaliver
Ranking Atlanta's 3 Most Promising Prospects
1. Onyeka Okongwu
Opportunity seems to be the only thing standing in the way of a full-fledged breakout for Okongwu, and it might be knocking soon with Clint Capela on the trade block. Save for an outside jumper, Okongwu has just about everything you'd want in a modern big. He is immensely switchable on defense and reliable around the rim. This past season, he tallied the 10th-most blocks (107) and sixth-best field-goal percentage (63.8).
2. Jalen Johnson
Johnson needs to accelerate his development to justify this ranking, but I'm comfortable betting on his tools and talent, especially with power forward minutes readily available after the John Collins deal. Johnson is an explosive athlete with intriguing off-the-dribble abilities for a 6'9", 220-pounder.
3. AJ Griffin
Kobe Bufkin and Saddiq Bey have arguments for this spot, but Griffin arguably offers the best blend of floor and ceiling. He is a knockdown shooter from distance—he shot 39 percent from range as a rookie—and he can zip around close-outs then finish in myriad ways off the bounce.
Bleacher Report
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:15 pm
by tbhawksfan1
Jamaaliver wrote:Ranking Atlanta's 3 Most Promising Prospects
1. Onyeka Okongwu
Opportunity seems to be the only thing standing in the way of a full-fledged breakout for Okongwu, and it might be knocking soon with Clint Capela on the trade block. Save for an outside jumper, Okongwu has just about everything you'd want in a modern big. He is immensely switchable on defense and reliable around the rim. This past season, he tallied the 10th-most blocks (107) and sixth-best field-goal percentage (63.8).
2. Jalen Johnson
Johnson needs to accelerate his development to justify this ranking, but I'm comfortable betting on his tools and talent, especially with power forward minutes readily available after the John Collins deal. Johnson is an explosive athlete with intriguing off-the-dribble abilities for a 6'9", 220-pounder.
3. AJ Griffin
Kobe Bufkin and Saddiq Bey have arguments for this spot, but Griffin arguably offers the best blend of floor and ceiling. He is a knockdown shooter from distance—he shot 39 percent from range as a rookie—and he can zip around close-outs then finish in myriad ways off the bounce.
Bleacher Report
We kind of need these three to make big moves for the team to have any chance
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:23 pm
by Jamaaliver
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Ranking Atlanta's 3 Most Promising Prospects
1. Onyeka Okongwu
Opportunity seems to be the only thing standing in the way of a full-fledged breakout for Okongwu, and it might be knocking soon with Clint Capela on the trade block. Save for an outside jumper, Okongwu has just about everything you'd want in a modern big. He is immensely switchable on defense and reliable around the rim. This past season, he tallied the 10th-most blocks (107) and sixth-best field-goal percentage (63.8).
2. Jalen Johnson
Johnson needs to accelerate his development to justify this ranking, but I'm comfortable betting on his tools and talent, especially with power forward minutes readily available after the John Collins deal. Johnson is an explosive athlete with intriguing off-the-dribble abilities for a 6'9", 220-pounder.
3. AJ Griffin
Kobe Bufkin and Saddiq Bey have arguments for this spot, but Griffin arguably offers the best blend of floor and ceiling. He is a knockdown shooter from distance—he shot 39 percent from range as a rookie—and he can zip around close-outs then finish in myriad ways off the bounce.
Bleacher Report
We kind of need these three to make big moves for the team to have any chance
I will say that we are lucky to have gotten lottery caliber talent outside the top-14 picks for three straight years. That's a combination of good drafting and good luck this franchise never used to have.
We just have to do a better job of moving these guys for value when the time comes. In recent years we've lost Cam, Huerter and Collins for little in return. Before that, Hawks lost AL and Josh Smith for nothing in Free Agency.
We have to manage our assets and young prospects better.
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:07 pm
by jayu70
Jamaaliver wrote:tbhawksfan1 wrote:We kind of need these three to make big moves for the team to have any chance
I will say that we are lucky to have gotten lottery caliber talent outside the top-14 picks for three straight years. That's a combination of good drafting and good luck this franchise never used to have.
We just have to do a better job of [b]moving these guys for value when the time comes. In recent years we've lost
Cam,
Huerter and Collins for little in return[/b]. Before that, Hawks lost AL and Josh Smith for nothing in Free Agency.
We have to manage our assets and young prospects better.
Cam asked for a trade and we got a 1st for him which we used as part of the Murray trade. How much do you think his value was?
Huerter - would we have gotten more than the 1st we currently have?
Collins - agreed, they had him on the block for too long.
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:47 pm
by Jamaaliver
jayu70 wrote:Cam asked for a trade and we got a 1st for him which we used as part of the Murray trade. How much do you think his value was?
Huerter - would we have gotten more than the 1st we currently have?
Collins - agreed, they had him on the block for too long.
The fact those three guys were once key members of our starting lineup but only netted us a pair of
conditional picks, an underwhelming 2nd round pick plus salary fodder in return is...undeniably disappointing.
Especially when you consider we gifted away 9 total draft picks for DeJounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.
Re: Rank the Hawks Young Prospects
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:56 pm
by jayu70
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:Cam asked for a trade and we got a 1st for him which we used as part of the Murray trade. How much do you think his value was?
Huerter - would we have gotten more than the 1st we currently have?
Collins - agreed, they had him on the block for too long.
The fact those three guys were once key members of our starting lineup but only netted us a pair of
conditional picks, an underwhelming 2nd round pick plus salary fodder in return is...undeniably disappointing.
Especially when you consider we gifted away 9 total draft picks for DeJounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.
Which is it?
Keep 'em too long or move 'em for upgrades?
Would you feel better getting 5 2nds for Huerter? 2nds are like Halloween candy.
That leaves 3 picks (not 4) we traded for Murray one of which was from the Cam trade.
