DeJounte Murray on the trade block?

[Jamaaliver]

We buying any of this?

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[dms269]

Even if the Knicks are interested, what do they even have to trade that would be an improvement? We don't have our 25 1st, 27 1st, and 26 is a swap. So them just trading us picks would be dumb.

[tbhawksfan1]

I would be looking for a tezm that wants to play him at PG or 1/2 and try to get at least equal to what we paid. I don't like the team's makeup and we need changes

[HMFFL]

Signs team friendly deal....Now, on the trading block.

If he's actually being shopped we must learn a thing or two. Players like DJ in the future won't bother with an ownership/front office like ours.

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[Jamaaliver]

Signs team friendly deal....Now, on the trading block.

If he's actually being shopped we must learn a thing or two. Players like DJ in the future won't bother with an ownership/front office like ours.

Bingo. It was always unlikely he'd finish out the entire contract here.

But 6 months later he's in trade talks?!?




Feels like betrayal for a guy who took a sweetheart deal to stay here.

July 2023:

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[jayu70]

Signs team friendly deal....Now, on the trading block.

If he's actually being shopped we must learn a thing or two. Players like DJ in the future won't bother with an ownership/front office like ours.

Bingo. It was always unlikely he'd finish out the entire contract here.

But 6 months later he's in trade talks?!?




Feels like betrayal for a guy who took a sweetheart deal to stay here.

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I guess my question would be - is he on the active trade market, by the Hawks or are teams calling about him since we aren't winning and the 'two PGs' narrative not working is floating around.

[CP War Hawks]

We are adults at the grown ups table. If DJ doesn't fit with the team long term or any player could be traded at any time. So basically he Hawks don't owe DJ anything and vice versa.

NYK seems to be more inclined to make the deal according to these preliminary rumors essentially. Hart, Grimes, and two 1sts we can start it at.

[Jamaaliver]

^If we start treating our employees/players like disposable, replaceable utensils, then top players will continue to avoid this franchise like the plague.




Adding Hart and Grimes improves our defense, but I fear our offense (particularly without Trae on the floor) will take a serious step back with only a package like that in return.



Getting multiple, future 1st rounders would allow us to pursue some decent players in other trades down the road.

[Yungsta404]

^If we start treating our employees/players like disposable, replaceable utensils, then top players will continue to avoid this franchise like the plague.

This narrative isn't true. If you have players other players want to play with and you give them the best opportunity to win they will come. At the end of the day the NBA is a business where you do what is best for yourself.

For example, I remember when the clippers signed blake griffin to a 5 year max contract then dumped him mid season and let him rot in Detroit for 4 seasons. No one cared.

Two seasons laters, they signed kawhi in FA and recruited paul george to join him.

If you provide the best opportunities they will come.

[Jamaaliver]

This narrative isn't true. If you have players other players want to play with and you give them the best opportunity to win they will come. At the end of the day the NBA is a business where you do what is best for yourself.

For example, I remember when the clippers signed Blake griffin to a 5 year max contract then dumped him mid season and let him rot in Detroit for 4 seasons. No one cared.

Two seasons laters, they signed kawhi in FA and recruited Paul George to join him.

If you provide the best opportunities they will come.

This is a really good point.


I do think there's a difference between a guy staying with a team for 9 years and signing a lucrative contract he can never live up to (Blake) vs a guy signing a team friendly deal a year early in his second year with the organization (Dejounte).

If DeJounte hadn't signed that contract this past summer, we'd be in a world of hurt having given up control of 4 draft picks for a guy who could walk away as soon as next summer.

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[CP War Hawks]

Trying to squeeze years out of DJM for it not to materialise is nasty work. You are just wasting years of prime Trae and now the media has a foot in forcing him out of ATL.

Upsetting a player you rescued from SAS or keeping your hometown guy engaged long term... NYK draft capital per RGM.

2024 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2024 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; L.A. Clippers will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland; via Milwaukee to Memphis; via Memphis to L.A. Clippers) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021; Memphis-Milwaukee, 8/7/2021; Houston-L.A. Clippers-Memphis, 2/9/2023]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-59 or to New York protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and / or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia to New York) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via New Orleans to Portland to Detroit to New York) [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/6/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to New York (via Atlanta) [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2025 2nd round pick to New York protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Detroit's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022]

[dms269]

Two.proposals from Toronto, trying to get DJM on the cheap for Siakam

DJM+griffin+Kobe for pascal

DJM+Hunter+Sac 1st for pascal

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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[jayu70]

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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TIFWIW:
Hawks looking to shop Dejounte Murray?

Multiple teams consulted in Orlando believe that the Hawks will explore their trade options with Dejounte Murray over the next six weeks leading up to the Feb. 8 trade deadline.

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

[King Ken]

Two.proposals from Toronto, trying to get DJM on the cheap for Siakam

DJM+griffin+Kobe for pascal

DJM+Hunter+Sac 1st for pascal

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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Siakam is a MASSIVE flight risk especially with this summer FA teams being quality this year and he doesn't even want to play here. Besides, we got JJ at the 4. OG is who we need who's also a massive flight risk.

None of Toronto's players make sense unless they want to do a SnT.

Murray is really the last player we should consider trading. He's the only one with OO locked in past a couple of seasons.

[Threezus]

Two.proposals from Toronto, trying to get DJM on the cheap for Siakam

DJM+griffin+Kobe for pascal

DJM+Hunter+Sac 1st for pascal

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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I wouldn't give DJM straight up for Pascal right now much less us adding 2 more items worthy of a 1st round pick on top of it. A non contract agreed Pascal that is going to be 20 mil a year more than DJM if he even signs a new one. To me DJM is worth more than that with his new cheaper contract.

[dms269]

Two.proposals from Toronto, trying to get DJM on the cheap for Siakam

DJM+griffin+Kobe for pascal

DJM+Hunter+Sac 1st for pascal

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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I wouldn't give DJM straight up for Pascal right now much less us adding 2 more items worthy of a 1st round pick on top of it. A non contract agreed Pascal that is going to be 20 mil a year more than DJM if he even signs a new one. To me DJM is worth more than that with his new cheaper contract.

I fully agree. Just saying what some on the Toronto board proposed. They still feel they can get premium assets for him.

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[King Ken]

Two.proposals from Toronto, trying to get DJM on the cheap for Siakam

DJM+griffin+Kobe for pascal

DJM+Hunter+Sac 1st for pascal

The rumors of us "shopping" djm means it is gonna be rough on the proposed trades for the near future.

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I wouldn't give DJM straight up for Pascal right now much less us adding 2 more items worthy of a 1st round pick on top of it. A non contract agreed Pascal that is going to be 20 mil a year more than DJM if he even signs a new one. To me DJM is worth more than that with his new cheaper contract.

I fully agree. Just saying what some on the Toronto board proposed. They still feel they can get premium assets for him.

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They want to dominate a deal. They aren't going to be reasonable. They never are.

[Jamaaliver]

We have a bad organization that can't pick a direction. We pivot every time things don't immediately go our way.

Dysfunction is absolutely the right word.

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[King Ken]

We have a bad organization that can't pick a direction. We pivot every time things don't immediately go our way.

Dysfunction is absolutely the right word.

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Umm, there is a clear reason but I'll rather keep it to myself.

[Jamaaliver]

Umm, there is a clear reason but I'll rather keep it to myself.

Nick?

Tony?

Trae?

Me?