Celts Avoid Cav-tastrophe! Game 4 Victory Cigar vs CLE 5/13 (BOS leads 3-1)

[BK_2020]

We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

[Fierce1]

We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

It's very clear now that Joe trusts Kornet.

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We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

Queta was actually 11th on the team in minutes per game and 12th in total minutes. And it's his position where there's an injury right now.

On the other hand, he would probably have been lower if Tillman had been here all year.

[zoyathedestroya]

28 minutes for Horford is better than the 39 he played the other game. Just survive the minutes Kornet is in there if Joe doesn't trust Tillman or doesn't want to go small. Finish in 5, hopefully in blowout fashion. Ideal for everyone who needs the rest.

We will need Horford as fresh as possible for later rounds, esp against the West if we make the Finals.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Celts17Pride]

Big Al is shooting 34% and 18% from three point range in this series. Got to get Big Al going.

Each series is different, I still think the Celtics could use Brissett 8-10 minutes in this series. Better defense when the Cavs go small.

[CelticsPride18]

I would like to see a few minutes to Queta next game.

He brings a different dimension to the team and can help slow the minutes of Al.

HE sets big screens, crashes the rim and is a great vertical spacer. Use him if the Cavs run small and just punish them. Easy baskets

I like Queta but he gets lost defensively

[RickyDizzle]

Big Al is shooting 34% and 18% from three point range in this series. Got to get Big Al going.

Each series is different, I still think the Celtics could use Brissett 8-10 minutes in this series. Better defense when the Cavs go small.

We won and are up 3-1, but Al is on a list of things to be worried about. Al is worn out. Derrick White's scoring is down, but also isn't playmaking like his usual self. The ball isn't swinging around in general. Celtics late game offense was waste 18 seconds and then go 1 on 1. They're at their best swinging the ball around.

For all the Kornet love, he had 4 or 5 bone head plays. Obviously the foul on the pump fake, the illegal screen, but also tipped some balls out of bounds, and was just goofy at times. They are surviving his minutes with just as many good plays mixed in, but I think he's a great 3rd center and pretty mediocre as the primary backup.

Winning in 5 and getting Porzingis back fixes a lot of issues though, good reason for optimism. Plus Jrue and Pritchard have been great lately. They need to get some 10+ point games from Hauser too.

[Celts17Pride]

Big Al is shooting 34% and 18% from three point range in this series. Got to get Big Al going.

Each series is different, I still think the Celtics could use Brissett 8-10 minutes in this series. Better defense when the Cavs go small.

We won and are up 3-1, but Al is on a list of things to be worried about. Al is worn out. Derrick White's scoring is down, but also isn't playmaking like his usual self. The ball isn't swinging around in general. Celtics late game offense was waste 18 seconds and then go 1 on 1. They're at their best swinging the ball around.

For all the Kornet love, he had 4 or 5 bone head plays. Obviously the foul on the pump fake, the illegal screen, but also tipped some balls out of bounds, and was just goofy at times. They are surviving his minutes with just as many good plays mixed in, but I think he's a great 3rd center and pretty mediocre as the primary backup.

Winning in 5 and getting Porzingis back fixes a lot of issues though, good reason for optimism. Plus Jrue and Pritchard have been great lately. They need to get some 10+ point games from Hauser too.

It a matchup thing with Big Al and Kornet. Cavs went small and neither guy can cover the perimeter that well or are in love with drop coverage. I think Brissett can help. Don't have to worry about Brissett's offense because neither Horford or Kornet are providing any offense now.

[165bows]

We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

But they are saying mean things on the other boards they even claimed this team isn't perfect.

[BK_2020]

Big Al is shooting 34% and 18% from three point range in this series. Got to get Big Al going.

Each series is different, I still think the Celtics could use Brissett 8-10 minutes in this series. Better defense when the Cavs go small.

We won and are up 3-1, but Al is on a list of things to be worried about. Al is worn out. Derrick White's scoring is down, but also isn't playmaking like his usual self. The ball isn't swinging around in general. Celtics late game offense was waste 18 seconds and then go 1 on 1. They're at their best swinging the ball around.

For all the Kornet love, he had 4 or 5 bone head plays. Obviously the foul on the pump fake, the illegal screen, but also tipped some balls out of bounds, and was just goofy at times. They are surviving his minutes with just as many good plays mixed in, but I think he's a great 3rd center and pretty mediocre as the primary backup.

Winning in 5 and getting Porzingis back fixes a lot of issues though, good reason for optimism. Plus Jrue and Pritchard have been great lately. They need to get some 10+ point games from Hauser too.

It a matchup thing with Big Al and Kornet. Cavs went small and neither guy can cover the perimeter that well or are in love with drop coverage. I think Brissett can help. Don't have to worry about Brissett's offense because neither Horford or Kornet are providing any offense now.

We are stifling them on defense. The Cavs' Ortg for the series is 113 and last night they were 111.5. Yes it helps that they are missing key players, but the point is there is no reason to make changes to improve our defense. Our defense has been very good, or their offense has been very bad. Either way they are not scoring well.

[BK_2020]

We won and are up 3-1, but Al is on a list of things to be worried about. Al is worn out. Derrick White's scoring is down, but also isn't playmaking like his usual self. The ball isn't swinging around in general. Celtics late game offense was waste 18 seconds and then go 1 on 1. They're at their best swinging the ball around.

There was not a single 1 on 1 possession in the final 5 minutes. Every possession was a high pnr where either the screener or the ballhandler got free and put the defense in rotation. We didn't waste 18 seconds either, mainly because the Cavs were forced to show double 40 feet from the basket to prevent us from wasting 18 seconds.

[itrsteve]

We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

But they are saying mean things on the other boards they even claimed this team isn't perfect.

The criticism is sort of funny because there's really no winning so it's best to ignore it. I'd say there's valid criticism when you see how they perform down the stretch which is concerning but nothing new to people like us who watch them night in and out.

But Boston could beat teams by 100 and it would be written off because players X or Y were missing. It is what it is.

Hopefully they'll make it to the ECF and face a quasi-healthy team and we'll see how they do? But there's nothing Boston can do to win over the angry peanut gallery in the GB

[Celts17Pride]

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We are up 3-1, averaging 119.3 points per 100, and have a net rating of +5.3. There's no reason to panic and play the 15th guy on the depth chart.

But they are saying mean things on the other boards they even claimed this team isn't perfect.

The criticism is sort of funny because there's really no winning so it's best to ignore it. I'd say there's valid criticism when you see how they perform down the stretch which is concerning but nothing new to people like us who watch them night in and out.

But Boston could beat teams by 100 and it would be written off because players X or Y were missing. It is what it is.

Hopefully they'll make it to the ECF and face a quasi-healthy team and we'll see how they do? But there's nothing Boston can do to win over the angry peanut gallery in the GB

guys -- MIDDLETON HASN'T EVEN PLAYED IN THIS SERIES YET!!

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[Larry_Russell]

I would like to see a few minutes to Queta next game.

He brings a different dimension to the team and can help slow the minutes of Al.

HE sets big screens, crashes the rim and is a great vertical spacer. Use him if the Cavs run small and just punish them. Easy baskets

I like Queta but he gets lost defensively

He wont against this team.

They are just going small and launching threes. That is the gameplan they will come out with again in Game 5.

[celticgreenie]

This probably improved after last night.

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It did improve. Still after watching SGA putting on a mid range clinic against the Mavs last night to close out the last few minutes of the game or Jamal Murray's midrange proficiency in the playoffs even in the closing seconds of two games against the Lakers, makes me wonder what is Tatum's go to move that strikes fear in the heart of opponents. I know Paul Pierce once said Tatum is better than him. Not sure about that. Pierce was a handful in a close game with his midrange prowess and that counts for something big. A prime Pierce replacing Tatum with Jaylen Brown wins a championship in spite of the current coach.

[BK_2020]

This probably improved after last night.

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It did improve. Still after watching SGA putting on a mid range clinic against the Mavs last night to close out the last few minutes of the game or Jamal Murray's midrange proficiency in the playoffs even in the closing seconds of two games against the Lakers, makes me wonder what is Tatum's go to move that strikes fear in the heart of opponents. I know Paul Pierce once said Tatum is better than him. Not sure about that. Pierce was a handful in a close game with his midrange prowess and that counts for something big. A prime Pierce replacing Tatum with Jaylen Brown wins a championship in spite of the current coach.

Prime Pierce with Jaylen Brown is like recreating the Pierce - Toine partnership.
Let's look at some Pierce highlights in 4th quarters of close playoff games.
2002 ECF G1 - 1 for 4 from field, 5 of 11 from the line
2002 ECF G2 - 0 for 6 from field
2002 ECF G4 - After a good G3, goes 1-4 from the field in the 4th
2002 R2 G3 - 2 for 7 from field, 2-3 from the line
2002 R1 G3 - 1 for 5 from field
Another good 4th in R1.

2003 R1. Had a great 4th quarter of G1 but in the other close game (G5) went 3 - 10 in the 4th.
2003 R2G1. 5 points on 4 shots. Decent enough but we needed more. Scored just 20 in the 4th and lost by 4.

2004 - got swept in the 1st round by average of like 20 points per game. To Indiana.

2005 R1 G5 - 8 points on 7 shots and 2 free throws, which is decidedly mid.
2005 R1 G6 - 1 for 3 for just 2 points.

2008 R1 G4 - 0 for 3, 1 for 2 from the line. Bro had 1 point.
2008 R1 G6 - 1 for 2 for 2 points.
2008 R2 G1 - 0 for 2. 0 points
2008 R2 G5 - 4 shots and 10 free throws for 10 points. That is really bad efficiency but at least he wasn't a zero.
2008 R2 G6 - 1 for 3. 4 points on 3 FGs and 2 FTs.
Had an efficient G7 but very low volume of only 6 points.
2008 ECF G1 - 4 points on 4 shots.
2008 ECF G5 - 0 for 1. 1 of 2 FTs for 1 point.

2008 Finals G2 - efficient 5 points but got outscored by Leon Powe
2008 Finals G3 - 1 for 5 from field, 2 for 3 from the line
2008 Finals G4 - 1 for 4 from the field, 3 for 4 from the line
2008 Finals G5 - 1 for 4 from the field but shot 10 of 10 from the line for decent volume, bad efficiency 4th.

The verdict? Prime Pierce might be one of the worst 4th quarter performers of all time.

[RickyDizzle]

We won and are up 3-1, but Al is on a list of things to be worried about. Al is worn out. Derrick White's scoring is down, but also isn't playmaking like his usual self. The ball isn't swinging around in general. Celtics late game offense was waste 18 seconds and then go 1 on 1. They're at their best swinging the ball around.

There was not a single 1 on 1 possession in the final 5 minutes. Every possession was a high pnr where either the screener or the ballhandler got free and put the defense in rotation. We didn't waste 18 seconds either, mainly because the Cavs were forced to show double 40 feet from the basket to prevent us from wasting 18 seconds.

Yeah fine, but not PnR to get an open shot, pick and roll to force a switch and then one of the Jay's slowly tries to beat the switching player one on one. They were running PnR to dictate matchups but it still devolved into one player being guarded by another and trying to take him off the dribble or shoot a fade away. Not good offense.