Luke "Green Kornet" Thread

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I think Luke is exactly what we need from third big when Al and Rob are healthy. If Al or Rob break down in playoffs - a realistic possibility - I am not sure he an adequate #2 like Theis was for much of playoff run. If he is going to be that guy, Joe needs to play him more. The more he has played lately, the better he is getting so I am all for giving him more PT.

My thoughts as well. The more PT he gets, the better he gets.

Generally true for most (if not all) end-of-bench players everywhere... From not playing at all, getting some burn on the floor in gradually increasing minutes will see an improvement in game conditioning, chemistry, familiarity with offensive sets & defensive schemes, build rhythm, confidence and feel for the game...

It's just a question of how much the incremental improvements are and what the ceiling could be... And whether the cost (potential losses) in investing playing time on your end-of-bench guys will be offset later by the potential gains (deeper rotation, more match-up options, solid insurance against injuries & exhaustion) later in the RS/POs.

[zoyathedestroya]

Can't wait to see if the Korntest will work against Steph Curry in the Finals.

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I'd crack up if I ever start seeing shooters from opposing teams try to fake off Korn3t first from the paint before launching from beyond the arc.

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd crack up if I ever start seeing shooters from opposing teams try to fake off Korn3t first from the paint before launching from beyond the arc.

It's happened at least three times already.

Scal endorsing this and saying it works makes me think of how KG would whack him in the head if Scal tried this in a game.

[jmr07019]

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[jmr07019]

Can't wait to see if the Korntest will work against Steph Curry in the Finals.

Korntest is my favorite name for this play. Better than eclipse or anything else

[zoyathedestroya]

Start his DPoY campaign.

[playa-hater]

Start his DPoY campaign.

this made me RLMAO but I also feel guilty about LOLing ..

AIR Kornet deserves better

[zoyathedestroya]

Super tiny sample but Kornet has made 13/14 of his field goal attempts as a roll man. 100th percentile among the 100+ players who qualify.

Yet another decent addition to our rotation.

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If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

[LewisnotMiller]

If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

You make a great point, and the coach in me applauds. But the fan in me says to let the guy cook.
He's found his signature move, and I can already imagine a range of t-shirts and hoodies featuring his silhouette jumping vertically on the left side, and little shooter silhouette all the way over on the right side.

[jmr07019]

If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

My initial thought is his eclipse leaves him in much better rebounding position than running out to the three point line.

I’m curious if guys like Embiid Jokic or even Giannis could incorporate this move into their games and it would allow them to play more drop coverage. It won’t really conserve energy but it does hide a lateral quickness weakness.

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If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

My initial thought is his eclipse leaves him in much better rebounding position than running out to the three point line.

I’m curious if guys like Embiid Jokic or even Giannis could incorporate this move into their games and it would allow them to play more drop coverage. It won’t really conserve energy but it does hide a lateral quickness weakness.

If doomed runout is doomed, then the tradeoff is between the Kornet Eclipse and not contesting at all.

And by the way -- suppose Kornet's man is near the basket somewhere. Then the Kornet Eclipse involves abandoning his man, which is probably fine for the initial shot, assuming the angles are such that he's interfering not just with the shot but with a hypothetical entry pass as well. But it does mean he's making no effort to block his man out for any rebound.

[jmr07019]

If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

My initial thought is his eclipse leaves him in much better rebounding position than running out to the three point line.

I’m curious if guys like Embiid Jokic or even Giannis could incorporate this move into their games and it would allow them to play more drop coverage. It won’t really conserve energy but it does hide a lateral quickness weakness.

If doomed runout is doomed, then the tradeoff is between the Kornet Eclipse and not contesting at all.

And by the way -- suppose Kornet's man is near the basket somewhere. Then the Kornet Eclipse involves abandoning his man, which is probably fine for the initial shot, assuming the angles are such that he's interfering not just with the shot but with a hypothetical entry pass as well. But it does mean he's making no effort to block his man out for any rebound.

I see what you’re saying. It seems to me Kornet mostly uses this when the defense is already in rotation but I’m going off memory.

I don’t think you should ever leave your man near the basket to perform the eclipse.

If you’re a big playing drop coverage and your man is setting a pick at the 3 point line it’s an interesting discussion and potentially an attractive option. If you perform the eclipse you can probably still recover to the big rolling to the rim or you can live with a center shooting an above the break 3. Keep in mind it’s not just Kornet who could do this. Can you imagine Rob or Giannis or Bam doing this? Of course there are limits to this. At no point should you be trying this on Steph or Tatum or any big time shooter.

[jmr07019]

The fact that opponents are pump faking Luke speaks to the actual effectiveness of the eclipse. If it wasn’t effective opponents wouldn’t bother pump faking. I don’t think the eclipse should be abandoned for better rebounding position but I acknowledge that you are sacrificing rebounding position.

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If Luke says that the Eclipse is better than running out to contest, we should just believe him.

But what about the third option, of not challenging the shot at all and optimizing rebounding? Has anybody quantified the rebounding penalty from the fact of his contests? (Or the transition offense penalty from somebody else needing to crash the boards rather than run ahead?)

My initial thought is his eclipse leaves him in much better rebounding position than running out to the three point line.

I’m curious if guys like Embiid Jokic or even Giannis could incorporate this move into their games and it would allow them to play more drop coverage. It won’t really conserve energy but it does hide a lateral quickness weakness.

If doomed runout is doomed, then the tradeoff is between the Kornet Eclipse and not contesting at all.

And by the way -- suppose Kornet's man is near the basket somewhere. Then the Kornet Eclipse involves abandoning his man, which is probably fine for the initial shot, assuming the angles are such that he's interfering not just with the shot but with a hypothetical entry pass as well. But it does mean he's making no effort to block his man out for any rebound.

Definitely does depend on whether his man is in the paint vs his man is the shooter.

Gang rebounding (for the lack of better phrasing) from the wings can alleviate this weakness, but boxing out is one of the most consistently dropped duties during games.

It's a fun neat trick, but probably not too viable. Besides the aforementioned rebounding issue, misses from 3s can bounce so randomly and end up back into the hand of the shooter.

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I can see Wemby, Holmgren, Bol Bol doing it also (or other noodle bodied players)

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