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Hal14 wrote:

ryan in Maine wrote:Anyone else feel a little caught off guard by Brad's wheelin' and dealin'? I'm not complaining. It's just like whoa, you don't make those moves lightly.

Not sure what you mean?

Like, losing Smart esp but Grant as well, moves that get you in the feels. I'm big on community guys and Marcus and Grant were two of the most generous and most active we've had over the years.

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:

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If he had a ring it'd be a "crime". Without one, it's just a slightly lower ranking than he probably deserves.

During his tenure, Stevens has more playoff wins as a coach/executive than 28 teams in the league. Win this man a title FFS.

POBO Brad’s Offseason Moves:

OUT:
• Blake Griffin
• Marcus Smart
• Grant Williams
• Mike Muscala
• Danilo Gallinari
• Justin Champagnie
• Mfiondu Kabengele
• 35th pick

IN:
• Lamar Stevens
• Dalano Banton
• Oshae Brissett
• Svi Mykhailiuk
• Kristaps Porzingis
• Jay Scrubb
• Neemias Queta
• Jordan Walsh
• 2024 GSW protected FRP
• 4 future 2RPs
• Sam Cassell
• Charles Lee

UPDATED.

zoyathedestroya wrote:POBO Brad’s Offseason Moves:

OUT:
• Blake Griffin
• Marcus Smart
• Grant Williams
• Robert Williams
• Malcolm Brogdon
• Mike Muscala
• Danilo Gallinari
• Justin Champagnie
• Mfiondu Kabengele
• 2029 Unprotected FRP
• 35th pick

IN:
• Lamar Stevens
• Jrue Holiday
• Dalano Banton
• Oshae Brissett
• Wenyen Gabriel
• Svi Mykhailiuk
• Kristaps Porzingis
• Jay Scrubb
• Neemias Queta
• Jordan Walsh
• 2024 GSW protected FRP
• 4 future 2RPs
• Sam Cassell
• Charles Lee

Finally a GM who pulls the trigger, instead of hearing... "We like our guys!" Every off-season.

zoyathedestroya wrote:POBO Brad’s Offseason Moves:

OUT:
• Blake Griffin
• Marcus Smart
• Grant Williams
• Robert Williams
• Malcolm Brogdon
• Mike Muscala
• Danilo Gallinari
• Justin Champagnie
• Mfiondu Kabengele
• 2029 Unprotected FRP
• 35th pick

IN:
• Lamar Stevens
• Jrue Holiday
• Dalano Banton
• Oshae Brissett
• Wenyen Gabriel
• Svi Mykhailiuk
• Kristaps Porzingis
• Jay Scrubb
• Neemias Queta
• Jordan Walsh
• 2024 GSW protected FRP
• 4 future 2RPs
• Sam Cassell
• Charles Lee

Jrue Holiday > Marcus Smart
Kristaps Porzingis > Robert Williams
Dalano Banton < Malcolm Brogdon
Oshae Brissett ~ Grant Williams
Wenyen Gabriel < Blake Griffin
Lamar Stevens > Mike Muscala
Svi Mykhailiuk > Danilo Gallinari (by default considering Gallo didn't play at all, in a vacuum he's better than Mykhailiuk)
Jay Scrubb > No one
Jordan Walsh > Justin Champagnie
Neemias Queta ~ Mfiondu Kabengele

4 future 2RPs < 2029 Unprotected FRP, 35th pick

Sam Cassell > No one
Charles Lee > No one

Basically the Celtics upgraded everywhere on the floor except Brogdon's spot (and Griffin as the end of bench vet presence but they just got a NBA champion that was voted best teammate in the league 3 of the last 4 seasons so it's debatable if they really lost much in that department). The net draft capital loss really isn't as big as people think. Big coaching upgrade as well. Horford should be worse but all the other returning players should be better so overall internal development should come out as a net positive as well. There's still the trade deadline to shore up any weaknesses. Outstanding stuff.

I trust Brad way more than I do Danny. I've distrusted Danny ever since the "I would have traded Larry Bird" comments (obviously it worked out well with KG/Pierce). Danny wanted to win every trade/battle, Brad is less about sweating the small stuff and more about improving the team overall.

I feel he's quite wise in getting guys who fit, who will move the ball and can shoot. He's moved out flawed players and brought in guys who fit. Moving aggressively for Derrick White is example #1. Jrue and , on paper, Porzingis also are examples.

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:

zoyathedestroya wrote:POBO Brad’s Offseason Moves:

OUT:
• Blake Griffin
• Marcus Smart
• Grant Williams
• Robert Williams
• Malcolm Brogdon
• Mike Muscala
• Danilo Gallinari
• Justin Champagnie
• Mfiondu Kabengele
• 2029 Unprotected FRP
• 35th pick

IN:
• Lamar Stevens
• Jrue Holiday
• Dalano Banton
• Oshae Brissett
• Wenyen Gabriel
• Svi Mykhailiuk
• Kristaps Porzingis
• Jay Scrubb
• Neemias Queta
• Jordan Walsh
• 2024 GSW protected FRP
• 4 future 2RPs
• Sam Cassell
• Charles Lee

Jrue Holiday > Marcus Smart
Kristaps Porzingis > Robert Williams
Dalano Banton < Malcolm Brogdon
Oshae Brissett ~ Grant Williams

That's the gist of it there. We sacrifice 6/7 guys to get an elite top 4 (replacing elite defenders with elite 2 way players.)

We're really relying on wildcards to replace that depth. Hauser already partially replaced Grant in the rotation. Maybe Pritchard steps into the 3rd guard role. Add Horford/White and that's the 8 man core so far.

The minimum guys look gritty, nice pickups, but are relative unknowns. With Horford's age the whole bench seems like a question mark - plenty of chances for guys to step up

Smart, Theis, Langford for Jrue and Porzingis. It's highway robbery.

The Roster Ainge Left with Stevens --> The Roster As It Stands:

• Tatum --> Tatum
• Brown --> Brown
• Pritchard --> Pritchard
• Kornet --> Kornet
• Edwards --> Banton
• Fournier --> Hauser
• Langford --> Mykhailiuik
• Nesmith --> Walsh
• Ojeleye --> Lamar
• Parker --> Gabriel
• Smart --> White
• Thompson --> Horford
• Walker --> Holiday
• Grant --> Brissett
• Timelord --> Porzingis
• Fall --> Queta
• Waters --> Davison
• n/a --> Scrubb

One of the best things about this trade is the options for the closing lineup. There really are 6 players good enough to be on the floor at the end of a game, depending on whether offense or defense is prioritized, and depending on positional needs.

So, basically, to close out any game, Joe has the option to sit one of Holiday, White, Brown or Horford if they are "off."

Figure Tatum and probably Porzingis would be constants.

Jammer wrote:One of the best things about this trade is the options for the closing lineup. There really are 6 players good enough to be on the floor at the end of a game, depending on whether offense or defense is prioritized, and depending on positional needs.

So, basically, to close out any game, Joe has the option to sit one of Holiday, White, Brown or Horford if they are "off."

Figure Tatum and probably Porzingis would be constants.

JB and Holiday are not gonna be sitting in crunch time.

It really comes down to White or Horford. Which one is playing better..and depending on matchups, do we want to go big or go small ?

And there will be quite a few reg season games where 1 of those 6 guys is resting or out with an injury or something. So in those games, you start and close with the other 5 and it's an easy decision..

My EotY!

Ainge should get a ring if we ever win the title with this group.



Our starting five has Danny's fingerprints all over them.

White: via Langford (drafted by DA) and Richardson via Hayward TPE (acquired by DA)
Holiday: via Brogdon via Nesmith (drafted by DA) via MEM 1st (acquired by DA)
Tatum: drafted by DA
Brown: drafted by DA
Porzingis: via Smart (drafted by DA)

ConstableGeneva wrote:Ainge should get a ring if we ever win the title with this group.



Our starting five has Danny's fingerprints all over them.

White: via Langford (drafted by DA) and Richardson via Hayward TPE (acquired by DA)
Holiday: via Brogdon via Nesmith (drafted by DA) via MEM 1st (acquired by DA)
Tatum: drafted by DA
Brown: drafted by DA
Porzingis: via Smart (drafted by DA)

The Jays? Of course.
Assets for 1-2 more of those guys? Sure. Smart and Timelord were well drafted.

All 5? That's stretching it. Brad traded away a lot of 1sts and swaps to put the current roster together. Nesmith and Langford added very little value into those transactions, if any.