Re: Welcome Derrick White - (PotW, March 25, 2024)
Posted: Tue Apr 2, 2024 2:47 am
Couldn't even shoot or was hesitant to shoot when he first got to Boston. Fast forward two years and we have this...
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zoyathedestroya wrote:
Surprised KG or Rondo didn't do this. Seems like a low bar.
zoyathedestroya wrote:Couldn't even shoot or was hesitant to shoot when he first got to Boston. Fast forward two years and we have this...
cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
We know White wanted to sign this past off season. This will be incredibly bad if he wanted to sign, the Celtics wanted to wait and White now wants to test free agency.brackdan70 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
Do we know what his max extension is? I have seen 4/122 thrown around. But if he waits until FA he would be eligible for a full max deal?
Edit: so it looks like he can make 140% of 2024/2025 salary plus 8% raises in an extension which would be something like 4/123 starting at 27.5 ish. If he waits until FA he would be eligible for a 30% max plus 8% which could start at around 45 million. If he waits and avoids injury and has another great season he could make a lot more. Will be interesting to see what he does. I assume the Cs offer that full 140% extension this summer.
celtxman wrote:We know White wanted to sign this past off season. This will be incredibly bad if he wanted to sign, the Celtics wanted to wait and White now wants to test free agency.brackdan70 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
Do we know what his max extension is? I have seen 4/122 thrown around. But if he waits until FA he would be eligible for a full max deal?
Edit: so it looks like he can make 140% of 2024/2025 salary plus 8% raises in an extension which would be something like 4/123 starting at 27.5 ish. If he waits until FA he would be eligible for a 30% max plus 8% which could start at around 45 million. If he waits and avoids injury and has another great season he could make a lot more. Will be interesting to see what he does. I assume the Cs offer that full 140% extension this summer.
cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
Hal14 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
Do you really think D-white seems like the type of guy to hit free agency, uproot his family (with 2 small children and wife..his dad, a lifelong Celtics fan) just so he can try and make a few extra bucks on some other team that will probably not even make the playoffs?
He stays and we have a chance to have a dynasty.
Let's look at the guys who have been top 6 players on this team since Brad took over and how their free agency/contract extensions have gone down:
Tatum - about to sign supermax
Brown - signed supermax
Jrue - just signed extension, took less $ to stay in Boston
KP - signed extension, took less $ to stay in Boston
Smart - signed a team friendly extension
Rob - signed a team friendly extension
Al - signed a team-friendly extension
If we go a little bit further down the rotation than that, you see:
Pritchard - signed a team-friendly extension
Grant - bet on himself. Didn't sign a team-friendly extension. Went to restricted free agency, had a few teams willing to offer more $ and more of a role so he left
Hell, even J-rich signed a team-friendly extension a few days after getting traded here.
So there you have it. Out of 10 guys, 8 of them extended their contracts with Boston. 1 of them (JB) signed a supermax with BOS, 1 of them (Tatum) is about to sign a supermax with Boston. Only 1 out of 10 is gone from Boston.
Who's the one who's gone? Mr. I'ma Make Em Both. Mr. get in Jimmy Butler's face, which caused him to go off and beat us in a playoff game. Mr get in Draymond Green's face, talk smack to him which gets him amped up to beat us in the finals. Mr thinks he's way better at basketball than he is, always whining to the refs like he's a superstar. Grant, who was more motivated to go and get PAID since it was his first contract after his rookie deal. That's not the case for Derrick - arguably the most humble unassuming player in the league.
cl2117 wrote:Hal14 wrote:cl2117 wrote:Will be interesting to see if White is even willing to sign an extension this summer. Apparently he can make quite a bit more by going all the way to free agency. His stock is at an all time high, I presume the C's will be prepared to offer him the max this summer in hopes of getting a bargain before he's an UFA, but Derrick might just bet on himself and ride it through to the end of the year to cash in. Either way, I think Brad ultimately has to keep him around. Such a good fit stylistically and aligns well with Tatum/Brown timeline.
Do you really think D-white seems like the type of guy to hit free agency, uproot his family (with 2 small children and wife..his dad, a lifelong Celtics fan) just so he can try and make a few extra bucks on some other team that will probably not even make the playoffs?
He stays and we have a chance to have a dynasty.
Let's look at the guys who have been top 6 players on this team since Brad took over and how their free agency/contract extensions have gone down:
Tatum - about to sign supermax
Brown - signed supermax
Jrue - just signed extension, took less $ to stay in Boston
KP - signed extension, took less $ to stay in Boston
Smart - signed a team friendly extension
Rob - signed a team friendly extension
Al - signed a team-friendly extension
If we go a little bit further down the rotation than that, you see:
Pritchard - signed a team-friendly extension
Grant - bet on himself. Didn't sign a team-friendly extension. Went to restricted free agency, had a few teams willing to offer more $ and more of a role so he left
Hell, even J-rich signed a team-friendly extension a few days after getting traded here.
So there you have it. Out of 10 guys, 8 of them extended their contracts with Boston. 1 of them (JB) signed a supermax with BOS, 1 of them (Tatum) is about to sign a supermax with Boston. Only 1 out of 10 is gone from Boston.
Who's the one who's gone? Mr. I'ma Make Em Both. Mr. get in Jimmy Butler's face, which caused him to go off and beat us in a playoff game. Mr get in Draymond Green's face, talk smack to him which gets him amped up to beat us in the finals. Mr thinks he's way better at basketball than he is, always whining to the refs like he's a superstar. Grant, who was more motivated to go and get PAID since it was his first contract after his rookie deal. That's not the case for Derrick - arguably the most humble unassuming player in the league.
I could absolutely see White leaving in free agency if he bets on himself and has a stellar year. This will be White's last big contract as it'll take him into his mid-30's, he's going to want to maximize it. I'd assume Boston has first right of refusal to match, but if ownership wasn't willing to pay the luxury tax then and he has higher offers elsewhere I can see him leaving for more money.
I don't think it's safe to assume guys are going to forego money to stay here (although whether we win or not obviously factors into it massively as does stuff like income tax). Tatum/Brown are making the max they can. Jrue is getting that 4th year which ultimately nets him a lot more than the "discount" he took for next year. Pritchard's deal arguably wasn't "team-friendly" when he signed it. Al's extension has ended up "team friendly" but was a gamble given his age. KP took a bit of a discount but had injury concerns too. Same for Rob. Grant walked for more money. It's a pretty mixed bag.