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Post#61 » by chrisab123 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:25 am

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You might not like to hear it, but the amount of effort Boston has made to bring in big time names to add to the coaching staff tells you all you need to know about how out of place Mazzula is. Dude needs all the help he can get to ensure we don’t have a failure like last years. Star players were really out there in game 3 of the ECF down 3-0 talking about how they have no identity, they don’t focus on defense and a bunch of other **** directly aimed at the coach and your homer glasses don’t allow you to see how awful Mazzula was.

Sounds like a lot of he say she say. And sounds like a lot of vague anecdotal stuff you're throwing out there.

If he was that bad, he would have been replaced.


And he should have if we're going off the playoffs. Yes, he lost staff, but the way he was outcoached by Doc and Spo was brutal. Thankfully they really beefed up the coaching staff around him because they want this to work. But as of right now there is nothing he has done in the NBA that shows he's deserving of being the Head Coach for a title contending team. Sure. It could change. We could be sitting here 20 years from now talking about how Mazzula is coming off his 10th title with Boston. Who knows. But right now, you can't fault us for not being super hyped on a guy who struggles with when to call a Timeout.
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Post#62 » by Hal14 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:47 pm

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chrisab123 wrote:Can't have enough experience especially when the Head Coach isn't qualified to be the Head Coach.

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chrisab123 wrote:And he should have if we're going off the playoffs. Yes, he lost staff, but the way he was outcoached by Doc and Spo was brutal. Thankfully they really beefed up the coaching staff around him because they want this to work. But as of right now there is nothing he has done in the NBA that shows he's deserving of being the Head Coach for a title contending team. Sure. It could change. We could be sitting here 20 years from now talking about how Mazzula is coming off his 10th title with Boston. Who knows. But right now, you can't fault us for not being super hyped on a guy who struggles with when to call a Timeout.

Whatever dude. This thread isn't even about Mazzulla. It's about Jeff Van Gundy, who isn't even being hired as a coach here. He's just a consultant, advising on team operations. Consulting with the coaches but also doing other stuff too. Yet you just come on here and post some one line snarky comment bashing Mazzulla.

If he wasn't qualified, he wouldn't have been hired. He was the coach on staff who had been with the team the longest, at the time of Udoka's suspension. Mazzulla also interviewed for the Jazz head coaching job, before Hardy got it.

And even with all the turmoil caused by the Udoka scandal, he got us off to a record breaking start, won Coach of the Month. Coached in the all-star game. Was a finalist for Coach of the Year. Despite having no time top prepare for the season as HC, having Rob go down for half the season, Gallo torn ACL before training camp. JB had a broken face, then cut his hand open right before the playoffs.

We still got within a game of the NBA finals. You'd be hard pressed to find a HC who did better than that in his fist season at the helm, especially given the circumstances (no time to prepare for the season as HC, didn't get to pick any of his assistants, the top assistant left to take a coaching job right before the playoffs, his best player gets hurt on the 1st play of game 7, etc.)

Your only criticisms of Joe (got out-coached by Doc and Spo in the playoffs, doesn't know when to call a timeout) are mostly vague, subjective, baseless claims. He called plenty of timeouts last season. There was 1 time in the playoffs where he admitted after the game there was a situation where looking back he should've called a timeout - ok, big deal. It's his 1st year, he's learning, he'll get better. Even guys who have been coaching for 20 years make mistakes sometimes.

And why would we expect him to out-coach Spo (best coach in the league) and Doc (been coaching for over 20 yrs, won a title) in his first year? Last I checked, we beat Doc's Sixers in the playoffs.

Lastly, have a hard time buying it when people say this guy out-coached this guy. Like, most of the stuff that a HC does is stuff that we as fans do not see/hear. We're not in the huddle when the HC is giving instruction. We're not at practice when the HC is going over the gameplan. We're not in the locker room when the HC is talking strategy with his team. We're not at training camp, we're not on the team plane, when the HC is meeting individually with certain players to go over things. We don't hear the stuff he yells from the sidelines, we don't hear what he says when he calls a player over to whisper words of encouragement or instruction during free throws. All we see is what happens on the court - the shots being taken by the players, the defense being played by the players. The loose balls being grabbed by the players, the passes being made by the players. The players do those things - not the HC.
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Post#63 » by tfribs45 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:52 pm

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bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Other than Mazzulla, that Celtics coaching staff is Championship quality....


chrisab123 wrote:Can't have enough experience especially when the Head Coach isn't qualified to be the Head Coach.

:roll:


You might not like to hear it, but the amount of effort Boston has made to bring in big time names to add to the coaching staff tells you all you need to know about how out of place Mazzula is. Dude needs all the help he can get to ensure we don’t have a failure like last years. Star players were really out there in game 3 of the ECF down 3-0 talking about how they have no identity, they don’t focus on defense and a bunch of other **** directly aimed at the coach and your homer glasses don’t allow you to see how awful Mazzula was.


Joe was one of the main reasons why this unit flopped last year! In fact JVG called him out several times during the playoff run, How's that for Ironic! There are plenty of head coach options behind Joey now, he won't have the opportunity to flop this time...
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Post#64 » by Hal14 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:19 pm

tfribs45 wrote:Joe was one of the main reasons why this unit flopped last year! In fact JVG called him out several times during the playoff run, How's that for Ironic! There are plenty of head coach options behind Joey now, he won't have the opportunity to flop this time...

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Post#65 » by tfribs45 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:51 pm

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tfribs45 wrote:Joe was one of the main reasons why this unit flopped last year! In fact JVG called him out several times during the playoff run, How's that for Ironic! There are plenty of head coach options behind Joey now, he won't have the opportunity to flop this time...

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smoke screen Hal, if we don't win the chip, you can bet amateur hour on the sidelines is longgg goneeeeee.... That being said, if he's as smart as he thinks, then Joey will utilize all the knowledge behind him and start leading this team like a true head coach. It's a win win for the Celts, there's a ton of experience on the bench now and in the locker room.
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Post#66 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:07 pm

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Post#67 » by chrisab123 » Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:15 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Can't have enough experience especially when the Head Coach isn't qualified to be the Head Coach.

:roll:

chrisab123 wrote:And he should have if we're going off the playoffs. Yes, he lost staff, but the way he was outcoached by Doc and Spo was brutal. Thankfully they really beefed up the coaching staff around him because they want this to work. But as of right now there is nothing he has done in the NBA that shows he's deserving of being the Head Coach for a title contending team. Sure. It could change. We could be sitting here 20 years from now talking about how Mazzula is coming off his 10th title with Boston. Who knows. But right now, you can't fault us for not being super hyped on a guy who struggles with when to call a Timeout.

Whatever dude. This thread isn't even about Mazzulla. It's about Jeff Van Gundy, who isn't even being hired as a coach here. He's just a consultant, advising on team operations. Consulting with the coaches but also doing other stuff too. Yet you just come on here and post some one line snarky comment bashing Mazzulla.

If he wasn't qualified, he wouldn't have been hired. He was the coach on staff who had been with the team the longest, at the time of Udoka's suspension. Mazzulla also interviewed for the Jazz head coaching job, before Hardy got it.

And even with all the turmoil caused by the Udoka scandal, he got us off to a record breaking start, won Coach of the Month. Coached in the all-star game. Was a finalist for Coach of the Year. Despite having no time top prepare for the season as HC, having Rob go down for half the season, Gallo torn ACL before training camp. JB had a broken face, then cut his hand open right before the playoffs.

We still got within a game of the NBA finals. You'd be hard pressed to find a HC who did better than that in his fist season at the helm, especially given the circumstances (no time to prepare for the season as HC, didn't get to pick any of his assistants, the top assistant left to take a coaching job right before the playoffs, his best player gets hurt on the 1st play of game 7, etc.)

Your only criticisms of Joe (got out-coached by Doc and Spo in the playoffs, doesn't know when to call a timeout) are mostly vague, subjective, baseless claims. He called plenty of timeouts last season. There was 1 time in the playoffs where he admitted after the game there was a situation where looking back he should've called a timeout - ok, big deal. It's his 1st year, he's learning, he'll get better. Even guys who have been coaching for 20 years make mistakes sometimes.

And why would we expect him to out-coach Spo (best coach in the league) and Doc (been coaching for over 20 yrs, won a title) in his first year? Last I checked, we beat Doc's Sixers in the playoffs.

Lastly, have a hard time buying it when people say this guy out-coached this guy. Like, most of the stuff that a HC does is stuff that we as fans do not see/hear. We're not in the huddle when the HC is giving instruction. We're not at practice when the HC is going over the gameplan. We're not in the locker room when the HC is talking strategy with his team. We're not at training camp, we're not on the team plane, when the HC is meeting individually with certain players to go over things. We don't hear the stuff he yells from the sidelines, we don't hear what he says when he calls a player over to whisper words of encouragement or instruction during free throws. All we see is what happens on the court - the shots being taken by the players, the defense being played by the players. The loose balls being grabbed by the players, the passes being made by the players. The players do those things - not the HC.


Subjective and baseless claims? You watched the playoffs, right? Sixers choked, again. Doc also is not a great coach. Joe Mazzula doesn't know how to call timeouts but maybe JVG can teach him when to do so.
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Post#68 » by Jammer » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:53 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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chrisab123 wrote:Can't have enough experience especially when the Head Coach isn't qualified to be the Head Coach.

:roll:

chrisab123 wrote:And he should have if we're going off the playoffs. Yes, he lost staff, but the way he was outcoached by Doc and Spo was brutal. Thankfully they really beefed up the coaching staff around him because they want this to work. But as of right now there is nothing he has done in the NBA that shows he's deserving of being the Head Coach for a title contending team. Sure. It could change. We could be sitting here 20 years from now talking about how Mazzula is coming off his 10th title with Boston. Who knows. But right now, you can't fault us for not being super hyped on a guy who struggles with when to call a Timeout.

Whatever dude. This thread isn't even about Mazzulla. It's about Jeff Van Gundy, who isn't even being hired as a coach here. He's just a consultant, advising on team operations. Consulting with the coaches but also doing other stuff too. Yet you just come on here and post some one line snarky comment bashing Mazzulla.

If he wasn't qualified, he wouldn't have been hired. He was the coach on staff who had been with the team the longest, at the time of Udoka's suspension. Mazzulla also interviewed for the Jazz head coaching job, before Hardy got it.

And even with all the turmoil caused by the Udoka scandal, he got us off to a record breaking start, won Coach of the Month. Coached in the all-star game. Was a finalist for Coach of the Year. Despite having no time top prepare for the season as HC, having Rob go down for half the season, Gallo torn ACL before training camp. JB had a broken face, then cut his hand open right before the playoffs.

We still got within a game of the NBA finals. You'd be hard pressed to find a HC who did better than that in his fist season at the helm, especially given the circumstances (no time to prepare for the season as HC, didn't get to pick any of his assistants, the top assistant left to take a coaching job right before the playoffs, his best player gets hurt on the 1st play of game 7, etc.)

Your only criticisms of Joe (got out-coached by Doc and Spo in the playoffs, doesn't know when to call a timeout) are mostly vague, subjective, baseless claims. He called plenty of timeouts last season. There was 1 time in the playoffs where he admitted after the game there was a situation where looking back he should've called a timeout - ok, big deal. It's his 1st year, he's learning, he'll get better. Even guys who have been coaching for 20 years make mistakes sometimes.

And why would we expect him to out-coach Spo (best coach in the league) and Doc (been coaching for over 20 yrs, won a title) in his first year? Last I checked, we beat Doc's Sixers in the playoffs.

Lastly, have a hard time buying it when people say this guy out-coached this guy. Like, most of the stuff that a HC does is stuff that we as fans do not see/hear. We're not in the huddle when the HC is giving instruction. We're not at practice when the HC is going over the gameplan. We're not in the locker room when the HC is talking strategy with his team. We're not at training camp, we're not on the team plane, when the HC is meeting individually with certain players to go over things. We don't hear the stuff he yells from the sidelines, we don't hear what he says when he calls a player over to whisper words of encouragement or instruction during free throws. All we see is what happens on the court - the shots being taken by the players, the defense being played by the players. The loose balls being grabbed by the players, the passes being made by the players. The players do those things - not the HC.


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Post#69 » by Hal14 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:45 am

chrisab123 wrote:Joe Mazzula doesn't know how to call timeouts but maybe JVG can teach him when to do so.

Is that all you've got for criticism of Mazzulla - this "he doesn't know how to call a timeout" stuff?

When did you want him to call a timeout? Can you elaborate on this claim with some substance?

Is it that he often lets his team play through it when the opponent goes on a run? Because research has shown that calling a timeout does not stop an opposing team's run:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.11691.pdf

vs the Pelicans on 11/18/22, Pelicans were making a run, cut the celtics lead to 6. most coaches would have called a timeout there. Mazzulla let the team play through it, then celtics went on a quick 5-0 run to push the lead back up to 11. From there, the Celtics cruised to the win.

On 11/2/22, Mazzulla's strategy to let the team play on also worked:
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Basketball is a game of runs. If you burn a timeout every time an opponent goes on a little bit of a run, you won't have any left for critical moments late in the game - or, you won't be able to use a challenge if you're out of timeouts.

These are the types of situations late in a game where you want to make sure you still have a timeout available. Watch this video at the 8:25 mark. Ivey can't get the ball inbounds, so he calls a timeout, but Detroit had already used up all their timeouts. DET gets called for a technical foul and then loses the game:


It can also work best to let the team play on instead of calling a timeout when you need a basket late in the game. This article talks about a game winning shot Florida hit a few years ago where they didn't call a timeout first:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2017/03/25/stop-or-go-as-clock-ticks-down-call-timeout-or-play-on/99629536/

"I was glad we didn't have (a timeout), of course," White said Saturday. "Especially a half hour after Chris makes the shot he made. It was easier to say that last night than right now, but I don't want to back off of that sentiment. If we had called a timeout, who knows what (Wisconsin coach) Greg (Gard) does and how they line up and match up and what type of defense that we see."

Kentucky coach John Calipari (Hall of Fame coach) said often his first instinct is to refrain from calling timeout and see what develops. "I'd let it go and watch and then be ready to scream timeout if it looks ugly but I want them to just play on and that's what we practice," Calipari said. "I like to go home with timeouts. I like the players to work through their issues."

Lastly, this whole criticism about timeouts seems weird to me. I mean, Spo is considered the best coach in the league right now, right? Why is that? What makes Spo such a good coach? Is it his timeout usage? Of course not. It's the way he gets his players to play with extreme toughness, the way his players don't back down from anybody, they play with an edge, with a confidence, like a bunch of tough badasss dudes. It's because they have defensive schemes that throw the other team out of their offensive rhythm, and because he has a way of coaching undrafted dudes up to believe in themself so they end up playing better than they would have played for a different coach.

What about Phil Jackson? Was he a great coach because of the way he called timeouts? Of course not. Jackson was actually known for letting his teams play on and not calling a timeout when an opponent went on a run.

Popovich? Is he a timeout master? Is that what made him a great coach? Of course not. Has any NBA coach got fired for not calling timeouts? Not that I know of. This whole timeout stuff is kind of silly to me. I think it's more important for a HC to have good relationships with his players, to be a good leader, to be good at developing players skills - stuff like that..
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Post#70 » by Parliament10 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:03 am

Hal14 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Joe Mazzula doesn't know how to call timeouts but maybe JVG can teach him when to do so.

Is that all you've got for criticism of Mazzulla - this lame "he doesn't know how to call a timeout" stuff?

When did you want him to call a timeout? Can you elaborate on this claim with anything of substance?

Is it that he often lets his team play through it when the opponent goes on a run? Because research has shown that calling a timeout does not stop an opposing team's run:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.11691.pdf

vs the Pelicans on 11/18/22, Pelicans were making a run, cut the celtics lead to 6. most coaches would have called a timeout there. Mazzulla let the team play through it, then celtics went on a quick 5-0 run to push the lead back up to 11. From there, the Celtics cruised to the win.

On 11/2/22, Mazzulla's strategy to let the team play on also worked:
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Basketball is a game of runs. If you burn a timeout every time an opponent goes on a little bit of a run, you won't have any left for critical moments late in the game - or, you won't be able to use a challenge if you're out of timeouts.

These are the types of situations late in a game where you want to make sure you still have a timeout available. Watch this video at the 8:25 mark. Ivey can't get the ball inbounds, so he calls a timeout, but Detroit had already used up all their timeouts. DET gets called for a technical foul and then loses the game:


It can also work best to let the team play on instead of calling a timeout when you need a basket late in the game. This article talks about a game winning shot Florida hit a few years ago where they didn't call a timeout first:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2017/03/25/stop-or-go-as-clock-ticks-down-call-timeout-or-play-on/99629536/

"I was glad we didn't have (a timeout), of course," White said Saturday. "Especially a half hour after Chris makes the shot he made. It was easier to say that last night than right now, but I don't want to back off of that sentiment. If we had called a timeout, who knows what (Wisconsin coach) Greg (Gard) does and how they line up and match up and what type of defense that we see."

Kentucky coach John Calipari (Hall of Fame coach) said often his first instinct is to refrain from calling timeout and see what develops. "I'd let it go and watch and then be ready to scream timeout if it looks ugly but I want them to just play on and that's what we practice," Calipari said. "I like to go home with timeouts. I like the players to work through their issues."

Lastly, this whole criticism about timeouts seems weird to me. I mean, Spo is considered the best coach in the league right now, right? Why is that? What makes Spo such a good coach? Is it his timeout usage? Of course not. It's the way he gets his players to play with extreme toughness, the way his players don't back down from anybody, they play with an edge, with a confidence, like a bunch of tough badasss dudes. It's because they have defensive schemes that throw the other team out of their offensive rhythm, and because he has a way of coaching undrafted dudes up to believe in themself so they end up playing better than they would have played for a different coach.

What about Phil Jackson? Was he a great coach because of the way he called timeouts? Of course not. Jackson was actually known for letting his teams play on and not calling a timeout when an opponent went on a run.

Popovich? Is he a timeout master? Is that what made him a great coach? Of course not. Has any NBA coach got fired for not calling timeouts? Not that I know of. This whole timeout stuff is kind of silly to me. I think it's more important for a HC to have good relationships with his players, to be a good leader, to be good at developing players skills - stuff like that..

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Post#71 » by captain green » Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:09 am

Ok now I'm starting to believe honestly I didn't think finals at all due to Joe "blows it' mazzula. But adding sam ( who I think is leagues above Joe) but now I'm stoked.
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Post#72 » by sam_I_am » Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:13 am

Joe was the coach of a team that found itself down 3-0. He made adjustments and his team won 2 road games to force a game 7 at home. Yes they lost game 7 and Tatum spraining his ankle in the first minute was also a factor.

Joe could have been better and this year we should expect him to be better. Yes it was a letdown to be down 3-0 ….. but he coached them back. They didn’t quit. Not bad for a 34 yo who had never had a real head coaching position before and was put in an impossible situation after Ime suspended.

This is a new season and the team is very different. Joe seems to be in command so far and the team is clearly buying in.
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Post#73 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:27 am

Don't expect Joe to change his philosophy with regards to timeout calling. Interesting stuff from him here... Starts at around a minute into the vid.



To me, there are circumstances where you have to call a timeout (ex. game clock winding down and nothing is developing) and some where it's advantageous to not call a timeout (ex. opportunity for semi-transition basket or not allowing other team to set up their defense or bring in their elite defenders). So coach has to have a better pulse on that. Joe's saying he needs to prep his players better and communicate better what he wants to run without having to call a timeout (teams practice various end-of-game situations all the time).

One thing team needs to get better at is end of quarter management. Dunno if anyone tracks the stats on that but it appeared we've been generally poor at executing 2-for-1s.
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Post#74 » by threrf23 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 5:12 am

Come the playoffs, or the equivalent, there are situations where he absolutely should call timeouts, because they won't hurt and there should be little room for error. Otherwise, haven't watched the video, but I like the emphasis on prep.

I think it was game 5 against the Heat - he called several good timeouts that he typically wouldn't have called. I swear those timeouts were responsible for a ~15-20 point swing in our favor.
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Post#75 » by BK_2020 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:34 am

Claiming timeouts lead to 15-20 point swings is exactly as unrealistic as it sounds. Lmao. Lmfao even.
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Post#76 » by Triple7 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:48 am

chrisab123 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

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chrisab123 wrote:And he should have if we're going off the playoffs. Yes, he lost staff, but the way he was outcoached by Doc and Spo was brutal. Thankfully they really beefed up the coaching staff around him because they want this to work. But as of right now there is nothing he has done in the NBA that shows he's deserving of being the Head Coach for a title contending team. Sure. It could change. We could be sitting here 20 years from now talking about how Mazzula is coming off his 10th title with Boston. Who knows. But right now, you can't fault us for not being super hyped on a guy who struggles with when to call a Timeout.

Whatever dude. This thread isn't even about Mazzulla. It's about Jeff Van Gundy, who isn't even being hired as a coach here. He's just a consultant, advising on team operations. Consulting with the coaches but also doing other stuff too. Yet you just come on here and post some one line snarky comment bashing Mazzulla.

If he wasn't qualified, he wouldn't have been hired. He was the coach on staff who had been with the team the longest, at the time of Udoka's suspension. Mazzulla also interviewed for the Jazz head coaching job, before Hardy got it.

And even with all the turmoil caused by the Udoka scandal, he got us off to a record breaking start, won Coach of the Month. Coached in the all-star game. Was a finalist for Coach of the Year. Despite having no time top prepare for the season as HC, having Rob go down for half the season, Gallo torn ACL before training camp. JB had a broken face, then cut his hand open right before the playoffs.

We still got within a game of the NBA finals. You'd be hard pressed to find a HC who did better than that in his fist season at the helm, especially given the circumstances (no time to prepare for the season as HC, didn't get to pick any of his assistants, the top assistant left to take a coaching job right before the playoffs, his best player gets hurt on the 1st play of game 7, etc.)

Your only criticisms of Joe (got out-coached by Doc and Spo in the playoffs, doesn't know when to call a timeout) are mostly vague, subjective, baseless claims. He called plenty of timeouts last season. There was 1 time in the playoffs where he admitted after the game there was a situation where looking back he should've called a timeout - ok, big deal. It's his 1st year, he's learning, he'll get better. Even guys who have been coaching for 20 years make mistakes sometimes.

And why would we expect him to out-coach Spo (best coach in the league) and Doc (been coaching for over 20 yrs, won a title) in his first year? Last I checked, we beat Doc's Sixers in the playoffs.

Lastly, have a hard time buying it when people say this guy out-coached this guy. Like, most of the stuff that a HC does is stuff that we as fans do not see/hear. We're not in the huddle when the HC is giving instruction. We're not at practice when the HC is going over the gameplan. We're not in the locker room when the HC is talking strategy with his team. We're not at training camp, we're not on the team plane, when the HC is meeting individually with certain players to go over things. We don't hear the stuff he yells from the sidelines, we don't hear what he says when he calls a player over to whisper words of encouragement or instruction during free throws. All we see is what happens on the court - the shots being taken by the players, the defense being played by the players. The loose balls being grabbed by the players, the passes being made by the players. The players do those things - not the HC.


Subjective and baseless claims? You watched the playoffs, right? Sixers choked, again. Doc also is not a great coach. Joe Mazzula doesn't know how to call timeouts but maybe JVG can teach him when to do so.


Joe trying so hard to be cool on not calling timely timeouts backfired big time. I remember he said , he wanted players to decide for themselves on crucial times lol. It was frustrating to watch in the regular season, but it was annoying, and borderline stupidity in the po to not call timeouts, especially if your team is out of focus. I’m just glad we have assistants ready to take over anytime. Lets see what he does this season. No more excuses this time.
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Post#78 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:41 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Claiming timeouts lead to 15-20 point swings is exactly as unrealistic as it sounds. Lmao. Lmfao even.

The 73 win Warriors outscored their opponents by just under 11 points per game. That same year the Process Sixers won 10 games and were outscored by 10 points per game. Apparently if only they had figured out when to call timeouts they could have gotten 20 more points per game and played the greatest team of all time to a draw. I'm not feeling that take either.
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